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Considering the divisive crime-ridden state of our current society-at least have something reliable nearby. That said, an old unloaded M-12 Winchester is near the back door. It is not wise to engage a home invader unless he is properly unarmed with a dangerous unloaded weapon. As a retired Special A...

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I think both Jeff Cooper and Chuck Taylor observed from their vast experience: "Any 1911 shorter than the Commander - sized pistol has been shown to develop a higher incidence of stoppages, failures to feed and other malfunctions compared to the full-sized Government Model". In short, I pr...

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USAA and USCCA are mentioned in almost the same breath. USAA is a major insurance company-non sequitur. I am a 50 yr member of USAA, as a retired Army officer and Federal agent. Never had a problem, but I also carry retired badge(s). Probably a whole lot more valuable than USCCA. (Call YOUR personal...

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Bill: My wife is an eye doctor and she is plagued with cramping in legs and thighs. She has tried everything including all of the rare metals, pickle juice, and hydrating Gator-Aide items. Cramp pills and hydration seem to offer some relief, ....sometimes. As a military-trained diver, I have gotten ...

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Do not own any SIG products at present, SO do not have a doggie in this hunt. However, have my share of 1911s, various older revolvers that work, and older PPK/PP Walthers. Additinally, a Glock 17 with two KAHR PM9s. The Kahr system is unique in that it is DA only -24/7 somewhat like - a revolver. F...

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DrawD- I have been annealing for years now using candles, gloves and 40-65 brass. Also anneal.348 cases for re-forming the .348 cases into 450 Alaskan. Since brass cases work harden, it's best to anneal the neck area before the reforming step. Leather gloves allow the brass lower rim area to be held...

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Interesting that the mid-range powder burn rates show IMR 3031, 4064, and 4895. The 1950s Winchester 39.5 gr of 4064 reaches about 2050 fps, close to the original early 1900s loadings with Hi--vel #1&2. The real culprit in some of the factory loads was mercuric (corrosive) primers. Explains why ...

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Indeed, glad we were able to help, that's what it is all about. I am still a member of WACA and know the author. For reloading of hunting 33 WCF cartridges, I can recommend the Hawk 200gr bullet very highly. The special copper annealed jacket and pure lead core tends to be perfect for older rifles. ...

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Found this same article in the Spring, 2023 Winchester Collector. There, on page 42, as DD indicated-are three Winchester loading cards on the 33 WCF from 1907 through 1953. Powders range from Lightning #1 & 2 until use of 4064 beginning in 1950 through 1953, and possibly later. (Contact the Win...

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I used a .410 many long decades ago. It would be nice to find another LC Smith .410 field grade, like I missed a few years back.

Have too many turkey/geese shotguns: a Smith Long Range and one Super Fox AA guns that are not lightweights, by any measure.

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After reviewing the subject of a loading card for the 33 WCF cartridge with members of the Winchester Collector Assn- These members could offer no reference to a loading card-though it probably exists. Possibly at the Cody Museum with Winchester records... no real results as yet. However, A close ma...

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A n early 1950s article By Jay Williams in the American Rifleman was devoted to rifles carried by early Alaskans before statehood, as a territory. Williams was an early Alaska Fish and Game Commissioner, along with being a hunter and guide. In the early 1900s, the 1886 Winchester in 33 WCF was highl...

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Probably not. The Mounties got their man. The real story and facts do not fit the story line from the movie, but that's the silver screen. A. Johnson was of Scandinavian descent and may have left the US due to the Depression. He was obviously conditioned to the cold as a trapper, and carried an 1899...

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Own three original Winchester 1886 rifles in 33 WCF and reload for them with C-H dies in that caliber. Also have 3 or 4 boxes of W-W original ammunition. These old boxes are collectible, as are the cartridges inside. These are nickel steel smokeless 86 rifles, including one full magazine rifle made ...

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As a retired Federal/state agent and US Army officer: have a plan. The CCW folks that advertise are correct in 48 out of 50 states. Beware of large cities with histories of modern violence related to drugs, gangs, and stolen guns. Castle doctrine only works in states that support it by law. Have a c...

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Hey Bill:

Is Hurley still in Phelps-Dodge (Freeport) country on the way to Silver?

My old place was above Morenci on AZ 666/191. Still keep an 1886 or early Model 71 there for cats or bad bears.

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I have a couple of 1886 Winchesters in 33 WCF, and newer pre-war Model 71s. Do old rifles help you be an old coot? Can I take my 450 Alaskan thru Canada, with form papers, on the way back to Alaska? (There's grizzlies in Canada between BC and Alberta). {Ben Lilly carried an 1886 in 33 WCF while in N...

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As a state agent and later an INS/ICE Special Agent, I carried two handguns regularly-regardless of "policy". Usually a 4-in Python with an original Walther PPK. Unfortunately, multiple offenders may be the rule now. I tend to be more comfortable with a 1911 Colt and at least 2-3 extra mag...

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Have been very fortunate with Winchesters: started with 3 or 4 original 1895s in .405 WCF and 35 WCF, then on to 33s in the smokeless nickel steel 1886 rifles. Pre-war Model 71s are the smoothest, and become "stopping rifles" near my AK homestead land in 450 Alaskan. Have two, in case one ...

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It's 16 years later, and this thread is still being quoted for reference on other lever gun sites. Bob Hagel did a reloading review in HANDLOADER Magazine including his own loadings for the 1895 Marlin. This was in the 1970s and his loads were stout, but NOTHING remotely resembling "pistol powd...

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My little 1952 99-EG is quite accurate. Last successful experiment involved snipping the 3 gr lead tip from the 100 gr Nosler Partition bullets. It stabilizes these quite well. Nothing heavier, however. Point and click with tang Lyman #1A and a 95 Marbles fold-down sporting rear sight. Very slick Sa...

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And my few 86s in 33 WCF...

We deal in lead, friend.

We ALSO vote red down here, Norseman.

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The Swift 200 gr .348 bullets are tough and very well made. They come 50 bullets to a box, @ $2.00 per bullet. Hawk and Fury Bullets are approximately half that. Grizzly Ammunition Co also advertises loaded ammunition in at least two bullet offerings including a bonded core 200 gr. They appeared out...

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While this is an older thread, it provides earlier and current valuable information for the .348 WCF cartridge-which is still quite popular. All of my (5) Model 71s are pre-War Winchesters, though I have owned Browning versions, which are accurate. The M-71s and the 348 cartridge are important enoug...

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Over time in 2 pre-war 71s in 450 Alaskan and 450 Fuller, IMR/H 4198 and IMR 3031 powders have given the best results as to both velocity and accuracy. Most of the bullets used were Alaska Bullet Works bonded 400 gr along with Hawk 400 gr jacketed bullets. Some of the 350 gr older thick case Hornady...

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Another update to the 33 Winchester: Starline or other 40-65 brass is an excellent method of obtaining 33 WCF brass with less trouble. Use the FL 33 size die on ANNEALED 40-65 case necks. It really shortens the process and you won't lose brass through errant re-sizing. Annealing adds life to cases a...

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Well, I have had a few horses and still have 3 McCllelan saddles-the best saddle for rough mountain country like AZ-NM and points west. That said, an older BMW R-bike makes more sense. Economical and easy to work on. No computers, very popular in Europe & USA- will do well on rough roads. Horses...

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As a combat veteran AND a retired Army officer/Federal agent- I have become an independent God-fearing believer; Jefferson, Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine understood the danger of government growth. Orwell's 1984 is a bit late, but be observant and slow to be vocal on voicespeak-remember thoughtcrim...

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While an older post, this is a relatively rare topic. The 4350 range of slow powders is excellent for 250 gr bullets. It tends to fill the case better than 4064 and other middle burning rate powders. "Go slow" -start low. Lever action rifles cannot be hot rodded with pressure. I stick to l...

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The original question involved the 44 SPL vs 9mm. If you do not need to penetrate anything much (auto glass, car doors, etc.) the 44 hands down. Otherwise its the 9mm with almost SMG-Anglia hot ammunition. For potential bear problems in the North woods, I carry a 450 Alaskan M-71 pre-war Winchester....

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TreWax has carnauba wax in it. Rare now.
It will also serve to protect blued finishes. I use
it on Parker, Fox and LC Smith goose-turkey guns.

And on an 1885 HW SS in 45-60. It works better than imagined.

Do NOT use WD-40 on any firearms you respect or wish to keep.

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First rate.
JLs knowledge and writing has caused me to re-think my 45 Colt loadings in
both my Ruger SA and two New Service Colt revolvers. The
NS Colts have their own pressure limitations but are supremely accurate.

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Also ran.....
But prefer the .35 Whelen in a custom pre-64 Model 70 with an almost Super Grade stock. With Nosler or Swift bullets,
it becomes almost a Rigby magazine rifle in .350 Rigby with steel cased solids."

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My Dad would agree with the constructive comments posted, if he were alive now. He was a bombardier on the B-24 "Modest Maiden" with 30 missions over occupied France and Germany. There are only so many of these A/C flying and we lost two with crew. Fuel and oil consumption very high on a B...

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Nothing likr re-opening an older nylon or linen thread. I play with a Sharps and a Winchester 1885 HW SS-both in 45 2.1 Been looking for tapered bullets. Harder to patch, but allows full cartridge length for BP loads. Works well for smokeless too. Experiment & patience. Masking tape or 25% cotto...

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This is a lever gun outfit, so I will ride for the brand. I added to a 2013 post-but time for an update: The Winchester and Browning Model 71s are still relatively popular, and the 348 cases are widely reloaded. The W-W and Starline brass are still being made, but at Midway and Grafs, ET Brass- you ...

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Perhaps time to update data and bullet availability for the 348 Win. .348 WCF: Hornady has discontinued the 200 gr FP jacketed bullets, unfortunately. (For reloading 348 cases & bullets-QuickLoad IS NOT your best source-look at Ken Waters and Handloader or other sources) I have 4 Model 71 Winche...

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You are right, AJMD:
We need to keep it going. My former bro-in-law lives in Carmel, now. He is an
almost retired-heart surgeon. From New Albany...Hoosiers ......
" It came from little kids running around saying: Who's yer daddy...??."

I may have some military brass...

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Having spent a great deal of time in state and Federal law enforcement, there appears to be a thread of similarity between certain leftists who are unhappy, and inner city gang members. Freud might liken it to misplaced anger resulting in sociopathic behavior. Violence as a result of no stable home ...

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Nice area near Cherokee,N.C. in the Smokey Mtns-near Townsend and Knoxville, TN.

HRM

1951 BMW R 51/3 1962 BMW R 69/S 1886 Winchesters & Model 71 s

Socialism: The creed of ignorance and envy, with the equal sharing of misery. Churchill-Prime Minister

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Recidivism is being able to do it again. Stop-and -frisk is the LEnf term for reason to believe/probable cause to search and remove firearms. Juliani had it right for NYC- As a former state/Federal agent-our Tombstone era society will not reward or defend you. The police are now a bit nervous about ...

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IN grizzly and general bear country, a practical 45 Colt in a Colt New Service or Ruger SA with BBL length limited to around 5- to 7 1/2 inches is practical. A 300 gr bullet at 950 FPS will discourage most bears. Repeat shots may be necessary, so recoil is an actual issue with the 454 on up. In the ...

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Bear:

Marlin is right.

I used 450 Alaskan and 450 Fuller older reject 348 brass for practice and finally got some good 45-75 wcf cartridges.
It DOES help to anneal the cases as brass work hardens fast.

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Bear:

348 brass will work re-sized.

Had an 1885 SS in 45-75 WCF. Technically a "lever" action SS. Still have an 1885 in 45-60, made in 1887. VG bore, still shoot it.

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Cochise County, AZ. has about 19 varieties of rattlesnake. The Mojaves all the way to Western diamonds and blacktails. My rule after a few years was let em go unless they were coiled and striking. Then they are history. Had a Rottweiler and a pit bull both attack me and my horse. Had warned the guy ...

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The way i "fixed" the knock sensor issue is by selling my 2003 4-Runner. Someone wanted it bad-as it looked nice. I told him about the issues, but he was more interested in the low mileage. It sold this week. Will miss it and went to Yellowstone and Canada. Luckily, PT Barnum was right. Fo...

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Carry a steel Commander -hard chrome finish to protect during summer heat. Roy's Leather or Milt Sparks rigs... During colder months its 1911 Colts like the full-size Series 70 forged steel with NM barrels. Have a couple of them, accurate and handle +P loads real nice. Extra magazines are an excelle...

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Grizz: I have a 4WD 96 and a 2003 2WD version. The newer one has 163 K and the 96-137 K A 2000 Tundra std 5-speed-anti-theft trans . The Tundra has roll-down windows... The later 98-on 4-Rs have good engines but watch out for mice near the engine/harness. A useless device is the knock sensors. Maybe...

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In keeping with the original title and meaning of the thread: I REALLY would rather have a heavy lever action -in places like Canada or Alaska -like an original 1886 or Model 71 Winchester. The 450 Alaskan can be loaded with 400gr Kodiak/Hawk/Woodleigh/Swift jacketed bullets to right at 2000 FPS. Th...

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Andy Hill is the Prop. A decent lad who works hard. Be patient, Covid and back orders have slowed everyone down. Their bullets are excellent, especially for rifles like older Winchesters and Marlins. A letter might also work. I have his bullets for the 348 and 33 WCF. They work better than most for ...

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