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I'm new and getting in to the Winchesters. So here was the deal, I traded the bubba SKS, a new in the box AMD-65 and $200 bucks for the 1965 Model 94 (30WCF) and 1873 Winchester. The model 1873 was made in 1893. So far as I tell the rear sight is broken but otherwise all orginal wood and everything else. It's in 44-40. The bore is dark but the rifling is fine. I know I probably got killed but always wanted an old winchester. Basically the sks and 94 were a wash I guess. I just hope I didn't pay too much for the 1873.
So, how bad did I get stuck? Think it's a break even deal or a bad lesson learned?
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IMB, you came out WAY on top! Ditchin' a foreign rattler for some good, solid American Steel and Wood is never a bad thing! OK, the 94's somewhat of a rattler... but, the GOOD kind!
Ooops, missed that was your first post. and Welcome to the Forum. Excellent first post... no need for the rminder about PICTURES!!!!
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Griff,
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There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
Thanks for all the welcomes.
It all started with a War years '94 in .32 win spcl. Then I got a 1937 model 64 in .32 Win spcl.
Now I just can't seem to stop!
Don't know what happened to My original Welcome but Welcome. U done good in My books. Am holding out for a 73. I have 2 SKSs, maybe I can find someone to trade me a 73. already have a 94/30-30 in 65 vintage.
Again Welcome
Bob Winchester wrote:Thanks for all the welcomes.
It all started with a War years '94 in .32 win spcl. Then I got a 1937 model 64 in .32 Win spcl. Now I just can't seem to stop!
Welcome. You won't feel bad when you find out how many .30-30s Griff has...
Sincerely,
Hobie
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What is the best way to clean these old rifles up? It's got a hundred years of gunk on it. I was thinking of spraying it down in Kroil or liquid wrench letting it sit a day or two and hitting it very lightly with some 0000 steel wool. That's my standard procedure for older military surplus with rust anyway.
Bob Winchester wrote:What is the best way to clean these old rifles up? It's got a hundred years of gunk on it. I was thinking of spraying it down in Kroil or liquid wrench letting it sit a day or two and hitting it very lightly with some 0000 steel wool. That's my standard procedure for older military surplus with rust anyway.
Well, I'm certainly no expert on antique gun values, but that 1873 isn't an old milsurp, and doing something like that might just wreck the value of a potentially valuable gun.
If it is truly all original, then I'd spend the $35 (or whatever) to get it Papered by Cody before doing anything to it.
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PM with serial number of your '73 and I will get you the info from Cody. IMO, you came out considerably on top of that deal. SKSs are a dime a dozen, Winchesters are far from that.
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You can "paper" your winchester to see if it is still in the condition it came from the factory (no major mods - or custom shop original mods).
C2N14... because life is not energetic enough. מנא, מנא, תקל, ופרסין Daniel 5:25-28... Got 7.62?
Not Depressed enough yet? Go read National Geographic, July 1976 Gott und Gewehr mit uns!
I would say you definitely came out ahead on that deal! The last SKS I bought was $50.00, but I know a young man that recently paid $450 for one that had some fancy OD tapco furniture. I told him he'd been had. You did fine...
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Bob Winchester wrote:What is the best way to clean these old rifles up? It's got a hundred years of gunk on it. I was thinking of spraying it down in Kroil or liquid wrench letting it sit a day or two and hitting it very lightly with some 0000 steel wool. That's my standard procedure for older military surplus with rust anyway.
NO steelwool, depending on how heavy the rust is, you might get by with just copper wool. That would minimize any damage to any remaining finish. The picture is a little dark, so not much detail is visible. Is it rust, or just light rust with dirt soaked oil? If it's heavily rusted, then a more agressive cleaning is warranted, but that also entails a probable refinish. In that case, your steel wool is the better choice.
If it were mine, I'd want to see the innards before I decided on a plan of action. If they are clean of rust and fully functional, with no parts needing replacement, I'd probably just do the minimal amount of work needed to clean up the outside, leaving some original finish and have a good shooter.
Griff,
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
I like CLP for things like that. It seems to pick up dirt, soften rust and run off carrying that stuff with it, while not subjecting the metal to de-oiling and flash rusting. I don't like any type of degreasing cleaners for this type of situation.
Bob Winchester wrote:Does papering add value to the rifle?
What is the best way to clean it up some?
It doesn't "add" value so much as help determine if it IS valuable (beyond its inherent old/cool factor).
For instance, you might find out that it was one of 4 rifles shipped to a specific outpost in the west, meaning it could have only been delivered to one or two historically important people living there at the time. Not likely, but possible.
C2N14... because life is not energetic enough. מנא, מנא, תקל, ופרסין Daniel 5:25-28... Got 7.62?
Not Depressed enough yet? Go read National Geographic, July 1976 Gott und Gewehr mit uns!
Bob Winchester wrote:I'm new and getting in to the Winchesters. So here was the deal, I traded the bubba SKS, a new in the box AMD-65 and $200 bucks for the 1965 Model 94 (30WCF) and 1873 Winchester. So, how bad did I get stuck? Think it's a break even deal or a bad lesson learned?
I think you made a heck of a deal. There is a guy on the KSCCW (Kansas Concealed Carry forum) that is trying to sell a AMD-65 for $350 FTF and hasn't had any offers at that price. So for $200 cash + maybe $200 for the bubba'd SKS + $350 to $450 for the AMD; $750 to $850 +/- total for the two Winchesters, I think that you are a pretty good horse trader!
Pete44ru wrote:[It all started with a War years '94 in .32 win spcl. Then I got a 1937 model 64 in .32 Win spcl. Now I just can't seem to stop!]
Yep - Those are the symptoms indicative of pending Advanced Winchesteritis..............
My advice would be to take two (2) Marlin & one (1) Browning (BLR) leverguns this weekend, and call us on Monday. :p
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I'm clean out of Marlins, but I do have a BLR!
Can't do any shooting today, were getting covering of white stuff here in the Hoosier state.
I appreciate the advice and knowledge thrown my way. After I made the trade I was really apprehensive. I just kinda jumped at it without research because I always wanted an older Winchester. Usually I hem-haw until it’s too late. Normally things that go in the safe just kinda get stuck there. I’ve only sold two guns ever before this. A loricin .32……..nuff said. And a Semi Thompson that was slightly drilled off center.
I've been recommended a good smith. He wants $110 to clean it up and tell me if it is a safe gun. Does that sound reasonable or should I break out the CLP and do it myself??
If He does a thorough job (ie) take it apart and clean everything including under the wood I would say that is fair. But if He is just going to clean the outside and the bore I think that would be a bit much. Ask Him what U get for $110