Winchester parts shortage? no, wacky gunsmith...
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Winchester parts shortage? no, wacky gunsmith...
I need a new gunsmith... for the last several months, he has had my Win94, which was having under-the-carrier-jams. He says he can't get parts, and the parts that are delivered are the wrong ones. He thinks Winchester parts have been bought up, creating a shortage and raising prices. I finally asked him to assemble it and let me have the rifle back.
Does he need a long vacation, or is there some truth to this?
Does he need a long vacation, or is there some truth to this?
Last edited by MacEntyre on Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- J Miller
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MacEntyre,
YES, you need a new gunsmith. Go and get your rifle, tell him he's had all the time he's gonna get.
ALL you need is for a gunsmith to weld up, or peen the cartridge stop on the top front of the link then reshape it.
Look at part #33 in this pic. That is the link. At the very forward top end, just in front of the carrier you can see the little pointed cartridge stop. This is the part that causes under the carrier jams. Worn, chipped, or broken off, if you can't find a new link, it can be repaired.
Repeat, no new parts are needed, the old part can be repaired.
Been there, done that. (Both finding a new gunsmith and having the cartridge stop fixed.)
As for finding parts, most gunsmiths have a limited number of parts sources and are too stubborn to take the time to look.
Joe
YES, you need a new gunsmith. Go and get your rifle, tell him he's had all the time he's gonna get.
ALL you need is for a gunsmith to weld up, or peen the cartridge stop on the top front of the link then reshape it.
Look at part #33 in this pic. That is the link. At the very forward top end, just in front of the carrier you can see the little pointed cartridge stop. This is the part that causes under the carrier jams. Worn, chipped, or broken off, if you can't find a new link, it can be repaired.
Repeat, no new parts are needed, the old part can be repaired.
Been there, done that. (Both finding a new gunsmith and having the cartridge stop fixed.)
As for finding parts, most gunsmiths have a limited number of parts sources and are too stubborn to take the time to look.
Joe
I would change too. I had similar problem with one of my rifles. I am not a smith by any means, but after studying it a bit, I brazed on a little bronze and reshaped, works fine now. Same problem in every trade, everybody is a parts changer. Sometimes we can make a better mousetrap. Just my .02 Canadian same as .02 US now that we are at par now, first time in 30 years.
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What cartridge is the gun? I have several lever links, and a couple are caliber specific. If I have one that matches your caliber, I'll mail you mine and you can take them to anybody handy with a welder and a grinder. When you're done with mine, send it back.
Kind regards,
Tycer
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Thanks, Mr. Miller! I will use your diagram and Junior's instructions to remove the link and get it to someone competent.J Miller wrote:Repeat, no new parts are needed, the old part can be repaired.
It's a 30-30.Tycer wrote:What cartridge is the gun?
Most kind of you to offer, Tycer! Thanks!Tycer wrote:If I have one that matches your caliber, I'll mail you mine...
PM sent.
Got it, Pete! Thanks!
I'm going to do what I should have done in the first place... just ordered the Brownells bit kit for the 94 top eject. I'll take the link out and find someone who understands how to build up the cartridge stop, using Tycer's good link as a guide.
I think my poor gunsmith is cracking up... he got it apart and back together several times. He says he never got it to jam under the carrier. I got it home today, and it jammed the first time I tried it.
I'm going to do what I should have done in the first place... just ordered the Brownells bit kit for the 94 top eject. I'll take the link out and find someone who understands how to build up the cartridge stop, using Tycer's good link as a guide.
I think my poor gunsmith is cracking up... he got it apart and back together several times. He says he never got it to jam under the carrier. I got it home today, and it jammed the first time I tried it.
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iceman,
No matter how fast or how slow you clcyle the action a round should never pop out under the carrier. If it does there is something wrong.
It could be a worn or damaged cartridge stop, or several tolerances that add up to a bad fit. That is why the Pre-64s rarely have this problem. They were better fitted.
But it can be repaired and that's what a lot of parts swappers ..... 'er wanna be gun smiths don't realize.
Joe
No matter how fast or how slow you clcyle the action a round should never pop out under the carrier. If it does there is something wrong.
It could be a worn or damaged cartridge stop, or several tolerances that add up to a bad fit. That is why the Pre-64s rarely have this problem. They were better fitted.
But it can be repaired and that's what a lot of parts swappers ..... 'er wanna be gun smiths don't realize.
Pete, that's correct, that's exactly what I mean.By "reshape", I'm sure the fellas really mean for you to shape it to the original shape, but so it sticks up a little higher and "stops" the next cartridge in the mag.
Joe
Part sent. Probably be there Wed.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Kind regards,
Tycer
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Jmiller. I agree with you, but I was trying to explain why his smith couldn't get it to jam but he could do it on the first try. I had that issue, as I said and by playing around a bit everything is OK now. No argument about parts swappers from me. Have a good one.
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