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I was thinking a .223 opened up to .25 would be a nice round. I talked to a gunshop owner once and he told me that hunters in Fla are the most overgunned hunters in the world. Look at how many people think a .30-30 isn't enough gun.
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Nath wrote:When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?
Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!
A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.
A mans rimie' for real hunters .
Nath
Nath, I completely agree. I'd love to see a .25 rimfire with a case length the same as .22 mag and shooting at least a 60 gr. bullet. And frankly, depending on performance it might even make a viable self defense choice in an 8 shot revolver.
That said, reloading for one of the alternatives probably destroys the idea from a cost perspective no?
Cheers,
Oly
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30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
Nath wrote:When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?
Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!
A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.
A mans rimie' for real hunters .
Nath
Nath, I completely agree. I'd love to see a .25 rimfire with a case length the same as .22 mag and shooting at least a 60 gr. bullet. And frankly, depending on performance it might even make a viable self defense choice in an 8 shot revolver.
That said, reloading for one of the alternatives probably destroys the idea from a cost perspective no?
Not every one wants to reload my ole' good friend and a rimfire has to be cheap to manufacture compared to c/f no?
I could see it being handy for self defence yes, easy to shoot too,,,,,just don't let Remington do the priming
I have been trying some Federal 50 grain .22 Magnum in my Uberti 66 and I like 'em...
Nath, I think your idea has merit, a rimfire that near equals .32/20 performance would be nice.
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Chuck 100 yd wrote:BlaineG , Me too!
A friend has one in .44 mag. and it is a good shooter.
I like my 77/44, though just like the levergun version (96/44) - it is a huge temptation to re-barrel in .45 Colt. No particularly intelligent or practical reason, just want to.
Would like to re-do the 77/357 Mag (if I ever got one) in 32-20, for that matter, but don't know if it would feed, etc. Might be easier to do a 223 bolt-gun. I just like 'mild to moderate' bolt actions using older pistol rounds.
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L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
Would you have a link to that read please?
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Nath I believe it was in the book "Sixguns" by Keith.
Plus 1.
As for why............. It's been covered before and some will never get it. Me? I'd rather be shooting and hunting then loading and if I can do that for only a modest increase in cost I will. As it is, the gap between reloading and buying factory centerfire stuff is so large to force me to do it. Narrow that considerably and I'll jump at it. The new WSM narrows it enough but like the OP, I'd rather get something with thump at the scarifice of range.
Observation #1-I owned a Ruger 77/44.BEAUTIFUL and lovely feeling gun. Stainless and synthetic. Couldn't get it to shoot to my satisfaction. Of course I have yet to find a .44 magnum rifle that will shoot with the accuracy I want. I have had Ruger carbines,Ruger 77/44,Handi rifle in standard and trapper lengths and Rossi single shot break top. The Rossi shot the best.I gave up on .44 magnum rifles for accuracyand went to a 45/70 Handi rifle and got what I was looking for.
Observation#2 - Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round. It will completely penetrate a 2" piece of wood(2X4 on edge) at 100 yards. Barely makes it out the other side but DOES go all the way thru.
YMMV,
Stan in SC
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Wish I had bought some of that 60gr subsonic back when Cabelas was selling it by the ammo can.
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sore shoulder wrote:Wish I had bought some of that 60gr subsonic back when Cabelas was selling it by the ammo can.
I did.
L_Kilkenny wrote:
Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round.
A combination of words I never thought I'd read.
Won't stabilize in some guns, but I like it a lot. It's particularly useful in handguns.
Cool thing is that it uses a .22 Short case that is actually shorter than the heeled bullet stuffed in it.
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There are several strikes against the concept of larger more powerful rimfires.
Rimfires are limited to low pressures by their folded rim construction.
Rimfires are more subject to misfires than are centerfires because of the way the priming compound is applied inside the rim. If the is a gap in the compound there can be a misfire and because the priming in inside the case it is difficult to inspect for quality control.
As the case diameter increases the amount of priming material increases so it eventually becomes 'too much' in terms of costs and over ignition.
A better choice is a wildcat based on an existing case. .22 Hornet can be expanded up to .277 caliber. The .32 Magnum and .327 Federal are good up to .313. Either approach can easily produce energy and velocities desired.
Years ago when .32 Magnum was introduced I bought a revolver and had a single shot rifle rebored. It works fine. A .327 case would be even more versatile.
Another approach would be one of the .38 caliber handgun cartridges. I like a RB in a 38 Special/357 Magnum. More that enough power for small game vermin from a quiet shooting gun and a round ball (HTWW) doesn't waste much meat.
olyinaz wrote:Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.
The .267 was Reminton's answer t0 the .25 Savage. It was a high velocity loading differentiated enout to prevent its being used in older gun chambered for the .25 Stevens. What stopped it was WW2. Just as it was bing introduced war demands constriced both gun and ammo manufacturing for the duration and after the war demand for such guns was limited.
Not daming it. It's probably a very nice cartridge. But it's redundant. A 20 caliber would have been something different. Better wind bucking and more transferable energy.
I like my 5mm alot better then my 17hmr, I mostly just use it for around the barn yard, shooting critters that dont need to be around, groundhogs, coons skunks and stray cats the 5mm seems to thump them alot harder then the 17
When you look at the case used for the new .17 super mag, it sure looks to me like it would make a great 5mm or even .22 super mag. Look how much longer the overall cartridge length is vs. the .22 mag and .17 HMR:
Cheers,
Oly
I hope and pray someday the world will learn
That fires we don't put out will bigger burn
olyinaz wrote:When you look at the case used for the new .17 super mag, it sure looks to me like it would make a great 5mm or even .22 super mag. Look how much longer the overall cartridge length is vs. the .22 mag and .17 HMR:
I'll tell you what I'd like ot see in the way of a new rimfire....a .25 rimfire with a 60 grain SWC bullet in a case the same length as the .22 mag. Then I'd like to see NAA come out with a 5 shot mini revolver just big enough to handle it. To me, that would be a great carry gun.
BlaineG wrote:That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....
This Ruger 77-357 interests me to no end.....
How about one in .44 Magnum and reload with single balls (.432", 130 grains.) over a load of Bullseye or W231. I've shot some through my Ruger SBH and my 629. Great fun, quiet, and fairly accurate (>2" @ 20 yds).
Mike
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