When do we get a mans rimfire then?
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When do we get a mans rimfire then?
When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?
Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!
A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.
A mans rimie' for real hunters .
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Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!
A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.
A mans rimie' for real hunters .
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I have a Marlin in .32 rimfire, just can't find any ammo!....
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I think there is a Canadian outfit that does make old rimfire ammo.
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That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....
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I was thinking a .223 opened up to .25 would be a nice round. I talked to a gunshop owner once and he told me that hunters in Fla are the most overgunned hunters in the world. Look at how many people think a .30-30 isn't enough gun.
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Bet we never see one over 'ere!BlaineG wrote:That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....
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I was thinking 1&1/8" long case and a heeled lead .25.
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Re: When do we get a mans rimfire then?
BlaineG , Me too!
A friend has one in .44 mag. and it is a good shooter.
A friend has one in .44 mag. and it is a good shooter.
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I think they went out of business 35 years ago.Mescalero wrote:I think there is a Canadian outfit that does make old rimfire ammo.
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Nath, I completely agree. I'd love to see a .25 rimfire with a case length the same as .22 mag and shooting at least a 60 gr. bullet. And frankly, depending on performance it might even make a viable self defense choice in an 8 shot revolver.Nath wrote:When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?
Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!
A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.
A mans rimie' for real hunters .
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That said, reloading for one of the alternatives probably destroys the idea from a cost perspective no?
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Re: When do we get a mans rimfire then?
Nath, that's a good one
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
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Not every one wants to reload my ole' good friend and a rimfire has to be cheap to manufacture compared to c/f no?olyinaz wrote:Nath, I completely agree. I'd love to see a .25 rimfire with a case length the same as .22 mag and shooting at least a 60 gr. bullet. And frankly, depending on performance it might even make a viable self defense choice in an 8 shot revolver.Nath wrote:When are they going to bring out a real rimfire?
Non of this fly weight gnat sized bullet things!
A .25 or .27 with a soft lead bullet of around 50-60grains doing 1600fps 'ish.
A mans rimie' for real hunters .
Nath
That said, reloading for one of the alternatives probably destroys the idea from a cost perspective no?
I could see it being handy for self defence yes, easy to shoot too,,,,,just don't let Remington do the priming
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I'd like more "Men's Air Rifles" myself - stuff in the 44 Special class is out there, but still seems like it could use some improvements.
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I have been trying some Federal 50 grain .22 Magnum in my Uberti 66 and I like 'em...
Nath, I think your idea has merit, a rimfire that near equals .32/20 performance would be nice.
Nath, I think your idea has merit, a rimfire that near equals .32/20 performance would be nice.
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I'd like to see the .44 Henry RIMFIRE Flat brought back for 1860 colt conversions and 1858 Henry and 1866 Winchester rifles.
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Yes certainly!tman wrote:I'd like to see the .44 Henry RIMFIRE Flat brought back for 1860 colt conversions and 1858 Henry and 1866 Winchester rifles.
I am just glad it's not just me that thinks more is not better!
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Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
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Would you have a link to that read please?L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
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Game keeper heres a site that carries 32,38 & 41 rimfire their in france. danny
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Wow! Thanks Danny, great link, may have to take a trip but sure to be illegal in the UK.BigSky56 wrote:Game keeper heres a site that carries 32,38 & 41 rimfire their in france. danny
http://www.hc-collection.com/Default.asp
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Nath wrote:Would you have a link to that read please?L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
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Nath I believe it was in the book "Sixguns" by Keith.
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The 22TCM 2800fps, from a pistol. A necked down 9mm, with a .223 bullet on top.
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I like my 77/44, though just like the levergun version (96/44) - it is a huge temptation to re-barrel in .45 Colt. No particularly intelligent or practical reason, just want to.Chuck 100 yd wrote:BlaineG , Me too!
A friend has one in .44 mag. and it is a good shooter.
Would like to re-do the 77/357 Mag (if I ever got one) in 32-20, for that matter, but don't know if it would feed, etc. Might be easier to do a 223 bolt-gun. I just like 'mild to moderate' bolt actions using older pistol rounds.
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I got some Spencer 56-50 rimfire ammo down in the dungeon. Big enough? ---------6
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Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.
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Plus 1.Rusty wrote:Nath wrote:Would you have a link to that read please?L_Kilkenny wrote:Ever since reading E. Keith write about the .25 Stevens rimfire I've been wishin it never went away.
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Nath I believe it was in the book "Sixguns" by Keith.
As for why............. It's been covered before and some will never get it. Me? I'd rather be shooting and hunting then loading and if I can do that for only a modest increase in cost I will. As it is, the gap between reloading and buying factory centerfire stuff is so large to force me to do it. Narrow that considerably and I'll jump at it. The new WSM narrows it enough but like the OP, I'd rather get something with thump at the scarifice of range.
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Me too. That goodness for the extra 32 centerfire firing pin!game keeper wrote:I have a Marlin in .32 rimfire, just can't find any ammo!....
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Thats the kiddie, any more details?olyinaz wrote:Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.
Why! Steve?
Because,,,,,, we can. Besides tell me please how many .250" 1&1/8" straight cased center fires cartridges are there again?
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Don't forget about the 5mm Remington. It didn't make it either.
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But it should have.
Remington would not support thier own product.
Remington would not support thier own product.
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Those Rats!Mescalero wrote:But it should have.
Remington would not support thier own product.
it sure sounded cool.
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Observation #1-I owned a Ruger 77/44.BEAUTIFUL and lovely feeling gun. Stainless and synthetic. Couldn't get it to shoot to my satisfaction. Of course I have yet to find a .44 magnum rifle that will shoot with the accuracy I want. I have had Ruger carbines,Ruger 77/44,Handi rifle in standard and trapper lengths and Rossi single shot break top. The Rossi shot the best.I gave up on .44 magnum rifles for accuracyand went to a 45/70 Handi rifle and got what I was looking for.
Observation#2 - Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round. It will completely penetrate a 2" piece of wood(2X4 on edge) at 100 yards. Barely makes it out the other side but DOES go all the way thru.
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Observation#2 - Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round. It will completely penetrate a 2" piece of wood(2X4 on edge) at 100 yards. Barely makes it out the other side but DOES go all the way thru.
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A combination of words I never thought I'd read.Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round.
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Hey Nath
Can't help with the rim fire, I am kinda in the same frame of mind as Colorado Steve.
But the 25 Hornet would get you pretty close to a straight cased 25 cal cartridge, and close to one and a eighth inch in length.
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Can't help with the rim fire, I am kinda in the same frame of mind as Colorado Steve.
But the 25 Hornet would get you pretty close to a straight cased 25 cal cartridge, and close to one and a eighth inch in length.
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Wish I had bought some of that 60gr subsonic back when Cabelas was selling it by the ammo can.
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I did.sore shoulder wrote:Wish I had bought some of that 60gr subsonic back when Cabelas was selling it by the ammo can.
Won't stabilize in some guns, but I like it a lot. It's particularly useful in handguns.L_Kilkenny wrote:A combination of words I never thought I'd read.Aquila makes a sub sonic .22 round with a 60 grain bullet that is a real accurate round.
Cool thing is that it uses a .22 Short case that is actually shorter than the heeled bullet stuffed in it.
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The new 17 Winchester should be a 20........Nuff said!
The world didn't need another high velocity 17..........Once again, Winchester blew it (IMO)
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Oh yeah, that'd doJ35nut wrote:Hey Nath
Can't help with the rim fire, I am kinda in the same frame of mind as Colorado Steve.
But the 25 Hornet would get you pretty close to a straight cased 25 cal cartridge, and close to one and a eighth inch in length.
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I agree!rbertalotto wrote:The new 17 Winchester should be a 20........Nuff said!
The world didn't need another high velocity 17..........Once again, Winchester blew it (IMO)
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You guys are damming it, and it is not even here yet.i
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There are several strikes against the concept of larger more powerful rimfires.
Rimfires are limited to low pressures by their folded rim construction.
Rimfires are more subject to misfires than are centerfires because of the way the priming compound is applied inside the rim. If the is a gap in the compound there can be a misfire and because the priming in inside the case it is difficult to inspect for quality control.
As the case diameter increases the amount of priming material increases so it eventually becomes 'too much' in terms of costs and over ignition.
A better choice is a wildcat based on an existing case. .22 Hornet can be expanded up to .277 caliber. The .32 Magnum and .327 Federal are good up to .313. Either approach can easily produce energy and velocities desired.
Years ago when .32 Magnum was introduced I bought a revolver and had a single shot rifle rebored. It works fine. A .327 case would be even more versatile.
Another approach would be one of the .38 caliber handgun cartridges. I like a RB in a 38 Special/357 Magnum. More that enough power for small game vermin from a quiet shooting gun and a round ball (HTWW) doesn't waste much meat.
Rimfires are limited to low pressures by their folded rim construction.
Rimfires are more subject to misfires than are centerfires because of the way the priming compound is applied inside the rim. If the is a gap in the compound there can be a misfire and because the priming in inside the case it is difficult to inspect for quality control.
As the case diameter increases the amount of priming material increases so it eventually becomes 'too much' in terms of costs and over ignition.
A better choice is a wildcat based on an existing case. .22 Hornet can be expanded up to .277 caliber. The .32 Magnum and .327 Federal are good up to .313. Either approach can easily produce energy and velocities desired.
Years ago when .32 Magnum was introduced I bought a revolver and had a single shot rifle rebored. It works fine. A .327 case would be even more versatile.
Another approach would be one of the .38 caliber handgun cartridges. I like a RB in a 38 Special/357 Magnum. More that enough power for small game vermin from a quiet shooting gun and a round ball (HTWW) doesn't waste much meat.
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olyinaz wrote:Remington fiddled with something similar but didn't adopt it. Not sure why they passed. I think that's .22 mag lower right.
The .267 was Reminton's answer t0 the .25 Savage. It was a high velocity loading differentiated enout to prevent its being used in older gun chambered for the .25 Stevens. What stopped it was WW2. Just as it was bing introduced war demands constriced both gun and ammo manufacturing for the duration and after the war demand for such guns was limited.
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Not daming it. It's probably a very nice cartridge. But it's redundant. A 20 caliber would have been something different. Better wind bucking and more transferable energy.
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I like my 5mm alot better then my 17hmr, I mostly just use it for around the barn yard, shooting critters that dont need to be around, groundhogs, coons skunks and stray cats the 5mm seems to thump them alot harder then the 17
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When you look at the case used for the new .17 super mag, it sure looks to me like it would make a great 5mm or even .22 super mag. Look how much longer the overall cartridge length is vs. the .22 mag and .17 HMR:
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Looks like it would go .250 to me! Proper rimfireolyinaz wrote:When you look at the case used for the new .17 super mag, it sure looks to me like it would make a great 5mm or even .22 super mag. Look how much longer the overall cartridge length is vs. the .22 mag and .17 HMR:
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I'll tell you what I'd like ot see in the way of a new rimfire....a .25 rimfire with a 60 grain SWC bullet in a case the same length as the .22 mag. Then I'd like to see NAA come out with a 5 shot mini revolver just big enough to handle it. To me, that would be a great carry gun.
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How about one in .44 Magnum and reload with single balls (.432", 130 grains.) over a load of Bullseye or W231. I've shot some through my Ruger SBH and my 629. Great fun, quiet, and fairly accurate (>2" @ 20 yds).BlaineG wrote:That would be a 25-20, or 32-20.....reloading would be cheaper than .22 mag, prolly....
This Ruger 77-357 interests me to no end.....
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If I can get .360 ball, do you think they would bulge a 357 case much?
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