Getting Sued

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:11 pm

Four years back we received some firearms for a transfer. Guy shows up sometime later and tells me they are for him. He has only a driver's license that expired several years before that. I don't do the transfer, he starts to get more and more hostile as time goes on - we find him in the neighbor's yard watching our house, he sends a letter threatening that if I do not give him the guns, my wife or children may get hurt or killed, we start finding cigaret butts outside the kids window in the mornings - which actually motivated us to move to a different location.

Now he is bringing a lawsuit against me, taking all of the time I need to be working and costing a lot of money.

For those of you who are the praying type, we could use some prayers.

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:40 pm

GET A LAWYER
The meaner the better.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:48 pm

Yes. Prayers up.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:51 pm

Bad deal. Did you do an abandonment on the guns or send them back? What is he suing for?

Panzercat · Post by **Panzercat** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:00 pm

I don't see what kind of case he can possibly stand on.

The threats will be hearsay unless you have witnesses, recordings, or better yet, DNA evidence from all the stuff he left on your window. Assuming you don't have any of that, it shouldn't matter. No ID, no xfer. Heck even I ran into that. Forgot to update my address and the guy apologized politely and said I'd need to get an ID with my current one on it. I did and was back the next day, no fuss no muss.

So this guy hasn't been able to produce a legitimate ID in all this time? Really? How is he hiring a lawyer? Something's really off about this IMO. Lawyer up, don't talk to him and record every contact he makes with you. I don't know what the wiretap laws are in your state, but look those up too. Two words: "Counter-sue" if only for time and wages lost.

[edit] He may very will have a new ID by this point in time and try to claim that he presented you with a correct ID the entire time and you refused to turn over the firearms. If so, the renewal of his ID should be on file with the DMV, at very least lending credit to your case.

abcollector · Post by **abcollector** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:17 pm

Panzercat wrote:I don't see what kind of case he can possibly stand on.

Unfortunately you don't need much at all for a scumbag to bring a suit against you even just to waste your time and money. But good luck trying to bring a counter suit against that individual. Our legal system is bias to the wrong parties. It actually allows them (scumbags) to file these bull$%&* lawsuits and the defendant must defend themselves.

Much of the advice already giving is good. Document all contacts as much as possible and it might even be a good idea to hire a Private Investigator to find out who this person is. Knowing your "enemy" is the first step in defeating them.

Trash

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:47 pm

Doesn't matter if he can win or if he has little chance - he can still cost me a ton of money and time. His purpose from the beginning was to take it to court. A lot of the background (threats, etc.) I posted does not really apply to the actual lawsuit.

I will post more details once it is over, as well as the end result.

Thanks for the support!

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:51 pm

I know a scumbag like that. They do it for some need of attention. Sick.
Be careful.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:53 pm

Done...prayers up for justice and your families safety.

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:34 am

C. Cash wrote:Done...prayers up for justice and your families safety.

---PRAYERS SENT...

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:38 am

336bl wrote:
C. Cash wrote:Done...prayers up for justice and your families safety.
---PRAYERS SENT...

+ 1.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:47 am

Mescalero wrote:GET A LAWYER
The meaner the better.

That's for sure. Happened to me a couple times as a small business owner.

Good luck and don't do anything stupid. Emotions can really get some people in trouble.
I remember my attorney grabbing my arm so hard during my divorce he actually left a bruise, he could see hat I was about to blow. But the tough old guy was right and I got what I wanted.

jason

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:51 am

I am happy to pray for you.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:03 am

Prayers up.

If you have a good friend who is a cop, there's something to be said for a "visit" by an officer, who makes it known that if you so much as get pee on your leg someday when you take a leak outside in the woods, that Mr. Scumbag is going to be numero uno on the list of 'causes' to investigate.

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:19 am

What's the basis for the suit? You seem to have acted according to the Law. No valid picture I.D., no gun. I've been turned down for cashing a check because my D.L. had expired. Get a nasty lawyer and counter-sue for a frivilious lawsuit!

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:25 am

First thing get a good, mean lawyer. Second, deep six this thread until it's all over but that's just my paranoia acting up.

Good luck and watch your six...

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:55 am

So let me get this straight.....

"I don't do the transfer, he starts to get more and more hostile as time goes on - we find him in the neighbor's yard watching our house, he sends a letter threatening that if I do not give him the guns, my wife or children may get hurt or killed , we start finding cigaret butts outside the kids window in the mornings - which actually motivated us to move to a different location."

.....and you didn't take that to the local PD the day you received it?

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:05 pm

jdad wrote:So let me get this straight.....

"I don't do the transfer, he starts to get more and more hostile as time goes on - we find him in the neighbor's yard watching our house, he sends a letter threatening that if I do not give him the guns, my wife or children may get hurt or killed , we start finding cigaret butts outside the kids window in the mornings - which actually motivated us to move to a different location."

.....and you didn't take that to the local PD the day you received it?

Exactly my thoughts. I could not imagine having to move because of others people's threats.

Now,there are TWO things going on.........the "transfer issue" and the "threat to the family issue". There appears to be more to this story.

If someone threatens you or your family with bodily injury, you don't need any evidence......you call the cops........pronto.............don't forget........calling the cops and making a report is FREE.

It will be a cold day in hell before I let ANYONE keep me on pins and needles. Stand your ground.--------Sixgun

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:33 pm

with a real lawyer you can probably get a suit dropped as frivolous, and ask for your costs at the time the suit is dropped.

also, get an injunction against trespass. he has already committed illegal trespass.

and make it known that you consider the perp a mortal threat due to his hate-crime activities and the threat to your family. maybe take out a newspaper ad to that effect.

and GATHER PHYSICAL EVIDENCE including trail cam photos.

and find out if you can legally record conversation with one party's knowledge. you can in Alaska. And that stopped just such a scumbag in his tracks.

Best and Prayers UP

Grizz

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:40 pm

Guys,

My guess is that our brother has CYAd well. The move probably has more to it than was stated in his post.

I am looking forward to hearing about the whooping the perp gets.

Dave B · Post by **Dave B** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:43 pm

Mescalero wrote:GET A LAWYER
The meaner the better.

+1

Prayer sent.

Dave B

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:57 pm

Mescalero wrote:GET A LAWYER
The meaner the better.

+ a billion.

Prayers up for you and your family for sure.

I hate people who abuse the legal system. It is why I am so slow to engage in it even with just cause.

Hopefully this turns around to bite the ba$tard. Hope you kept the threatening letter. I have to hand it to you for your patience. If someone threatened my wife and kids, they would disappear quite quickly...

piller · Post by **piller** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:12 pm

Prayers sent. Now, if someone comes in to my yard and hangs out watching a neighbor, well, he will deserve what my 14 year old Boxer/Shepherd mix does to him. I am not threatening anyone, but a good dog knows when someone is in the wrong territory for bad reasons.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:10 am

Thanks, guys. I'll let you know more when this thing is over.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:06 am

Please do.

7.62 Precision · Post by **7.62 Precision** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:48 am

Have to go to court for a hearing today. Will see what happens.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:52 am

Good luck!!!!!

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:19 am

2ndovc wrote:Good luck!!!!!

+1

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:16 am

Prayers up!

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:01 am

There is an old saying, "The one with the most -Paper- Wins", it worked in My case several years ago. And like has been said -win or lose- it can cause a lot of Grief.
Prayers up for You.
Perry

2571 · Post by **2571** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:15 pm

AJMD429 wrote:Prayers up.

If you have a good friend who is a cop, there's something to be said for a "visit" by an officer, who makes it known that if you so much as get pee on your leg someday when you take a leak outside in the woods, that Mr. Scumbag is going to be numero uno on the list of 'causes' to investigate.

Yeah, intimidation. Wonderful advice to someone already a defendant in a lawsuit.

Buy a mouthpiece & take the professional advice you pay for. Forget all the buffonery & ridiculous, amateur suggestions you're getting here. It is improvident to seek professonal legal advice from total strangers on the internet. Would you seek brain surgery advice from these same strangers?

DNA evidence & trailcams, indeed. You'd look exactly like the wierdo suing you.
That would really impress a jury asked to judge which of you was nuts. You're already fighting an uphill battle as a purveyor of black, evil firearms in an era of child deaths.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:33 pm

... and "sunshine" breaks over the horizon...

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:19 am

Well let's be accurate shall we? He wasn't seeking legal advice, just simple prayer and support - which he's gotten in droves. Add mine.

I look forward to more details as I'm sure there's much to this story he can't yet tell us.

Oly

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