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Very heartfelt tribute , will say a prayer for you.

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I've had a 12x36: Grizzly lathe for 23 years to satisfy my gunsmithing needs. I also use a mill attachment on it for making small parts , cutting sight dovetail. It has about same travel as small mini mill. I run small endmills and flycutters in collet out of the lathe spindle bore. To pull off anyt...

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Some reading material .

https://levergunscommunity.org/viewtopi ... 3#p1003323

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For a long time WRF was expensive to shoot . Now .22 WMR is that way . Good news is I saw WMR as cheap as $16 last month. CCI JHP is wonderful in the 1890 or Remington model 12 WRF rifles. I probably would not shoot it in any handgun per their warnings. But as stated Winchester lubaloy copper plated...

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I have shot WRF in my 883 Marlin but they will not feed from mag tube. Original .22 WRF specs .226" grooves with .219" bore CCI WRF are jacketed and true WRF at. 2265" Winchester lubaloy are copper plated lead. They are .2245"-.225" If those remember my Colt .22 WRF Police P...

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Never owned an 1886 or 1893 Marlin but I always considered the 1892 and 1894 easy to disassemble and reassemble. The 1894 encompasses the same old time features as far as safety and sear catch , hammer , mainspring as earlier 1873 and 1876 rifles. Removable tang. About only thing in an 1894 that can...

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The 1894 happened because they wanted a lightweight rifle with a more powerful cartridge than the 1892.

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Not to be confused with Heritage Manufacturing of .22 Rough Rider fame.
This is an outfit next door to CMP South store

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The MG42 came out to replace the very labor intensive MG34. A much simpler design using stamped sheet metal for the receiver and FCG. Easy to maintain , quick barrel changes, high rate of fire but yet capable of rate reducing enhancements. With heavier bolt carrier group. The barrel houses an extens...

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Ruger statement

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The interesting part is not all turned maroon . And sometimes it was only certain parts like loading gates . It's definatly a product of investment casting. Alloy may contribute too but look at the old Savage frames when reblued they are deep maroon if dip blued.

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Those maroon frames were the product of 4140 casting reaction . Lot of guns left the factory that way . So many Ruger released a statement saying this and they would attempt to refinish if desired but no guarantee.

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Old model flat top is one of the best looking sixguns. One of these days I'm going to make a flat top target in 38 WCF with color case frame. Soon as right donor comes along.

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Some beautiful color cased rifles still offered at this time.

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Price list

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I collect old gun catalogs and other firearms media .pretty helpful sometimes when it comes to parts or model identification.

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Sweet

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The stainless used on most firearms is 416 series it is not corrosion proof. I've seen some nasty bores on muzzle loaders that were shot and loaded in field and forgot about .Needless to say bores nearly ruined. 17-4 is what Big Horn Armory uses it's much more resistant to corrosion. do you know wh...

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No I'm not sure , I'll see if I can find out.

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The stainless used on most firearms is 416 series it is not corrosion proof. I've seen some nasty bores on muzzle loaders that were shot and loaded in field and forgot about .Needless to say bores nearly ruined.

17-4 is what Big Horn Armory uses it's much more resistant to corrosion.

Pat C

The base is silver brazed to barrel , the dovetail cut is in the base.

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Typically ramps were silver brazed when it's in the white.
The braze is usually hidden under the sight .

Early on pre war Winchesters the ramp was part of the barrel forging. But later it changed to silver braze. One would assume Browning used the later method.

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I would expect it to be silver brazed to barrel.

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I wonder if it headspaces better ?

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Here is a nice prewar 1937 carbine with model 55 steel shotgun but no saddlering . One of the last of the carbonate blue era guns.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1100786814

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Jim, The 1892 and 1894 have been my main interest and where I've spent most of my time . Great rifles/carbines .

Both share a lot of same parts like sights, stocks , bands, buttplates.

Glad to share anything I've learned about them .

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Not real common, in that configuration . The Whelen fluted comb shotgun butt carbines are more common. Buttplate is shorter and has no spur. These are often encountered with half mags and Eastern style no ring. Post WW1 - 1930 ish.

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This carbine in Rennberg's book fits your description.

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Old 1894 are pretty durable and not hard to find parts to rebuild if needed.

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One could base an entire collection around all the variations of the 1894. Bob Renneberg's book is about the best source for the 1894

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Pre war ramps were part of the barrel forging just like on the 1894 and 1892. My 1948 ramp is still forged as part of barrel.

Not sure exact date of change to soldered ramp.

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Here is an example of old style carbine with newer Colonel Whelen fluted comb with small shotgun butt.

https://shop.joesalter.com/Special-Orde ... Built-1920

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Looks like good times and good weather.

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30 WCF came out in 1895

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348win wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:45 pm
Pat C wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:38 pm Yes shotgun butt with post type could be ordered with or without the widows peak.
What years would cover this

Pre 1930 would be best case for special order carbines.

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JimT wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 6:38 pm At the CSA I got to play with this old Winchester. A Model 1894 made in 1895.
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Jim , That rifle has a flat band barrel assembly . Rebarreled

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Yes shotgun butt with post type could be ordered with or without the widows peak.

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The transition started with the Whelen fluted comb shotgun stocks. Both 94 and 92. They still had post front sight and sometimes saddlerings. Eastern carbines lot of times still had SRC buttplate which was seen into mid to late 30's . The final prewar carbine had the serrated model 55 steel shotgun ...

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Same thing happened to me , just cleared history and logged out and back in all is well. Switch browsers to Duck Duck Go is also good choice.

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If stripped bolt with finger pressure has felt resistance with No Go by itself it's perfectly fine. Ideally the bolt should lack just a little before fully locked on NO GO. But if heaspace is toward upper end it may be harder to feel . There is only .004 difference between go and no go. Remember the...

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On a stripped bolt should not close with one finger pressure.
Sounds like your apply force to get it to close which can ruin headspace gauge .Be careful.

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Not a problem at all , I'll get it solved soon .Need to get it apart to see exactly how far the cylinder catch window is off. It's possible some form of shimming/ moving window an be done and still use factory catch. Once it's apart I can center the cylinder/ barrel perfectly then sight through from...

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No amount of ammo will do it , the bore is out .008 over indexed. Distorting bullets and or shaving them. I've already shot every ammo that's out there except for ELEY and Xact.

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I thought about trying anouther cylinder . The one I have is etched matching number to this SS . I talked to Randall Power little while ago . He stated his latches are .0065" thicker on average than factory. Hopefully that will be just enough to shift alignment . There are other methods like mo...

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I guess price dictates whether it's worth the chance. I gave less than price of a Wrangler for this one. I believe moving the window and fitting new oversize catch will correct alignment.

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They added just a little metal around the ring and redesigned the spring cover hence the name model 89 half way between 1886 and 1892

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Finally took time to blueprint this single six using precision measuring . Everything is fairly liberal on tolerance side. Chambers using small hole Guage. 227-.2275" Bore is. 2245" grooves .2205" lands so it's toward oversize for .22 WMR. Barrel cylinder gap is .006" Ends hake i...

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The Big Horn Armory is a beefed up 1892 frame , Not a large frame like 1886.

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