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mickbr

Are they using the same BC formula, the G1 or the G7? It could be they use the old G1 for the XTPs and the G7 for the FTX and that is where the discrepancy is? I dunno, maybe a phone call to Hornady would get the answer. You raise a good point there, maybe its two different systems at play. I know ...

mickbr

I agree Jim, I dont buy or use the Ftx myself, it was why I queried folks attraction to them. Being they occupy more space in the case, the COAL is more finicky , and it seems their Ballistic Coefficient is worse, or at least not accurately represented. So what exactly do they do another bullet does...

mickbr

Great bullets but one thing I never understood is the ballistic coefficients listed for their pistol bullets. The FTX bullets despite being designed with the benefit of a pointed bullet are listed with markedly worse ballistic coefficient than the standard hollowpoints. Either someone go their calcu...

mickbr

Honor, dignity, integrity etc work best when the average person has the option to exercise them alongside the most powerful. When a society becomes imbalanced in some way, the gap between those who are honorable and those who arent also imbalances. The incentive is lost to seek virtue. Not by everyo...

mickbr

I cant fault that reasoning. I personally like bullets opening to 65-70cal and the right subsonic will. That said a .429 never fails to ruin something day.

mickbr

Thanks Walt, I'm just about mended but will give this weekend a miss too. While we are on the subject any guesses on how much 2400 can safely be loaded into 44 special brass with 240 jacketed and cast bullets. I know the brass can handle 48kpsi, starline told me. Im interested to see how fast 44 spe...

mickbr

Go for it. I prefer longer barrels and magazines but like the idea. Ive owned 7 rossis, 3 x357's,3 x 44's and 1 x 454 casull. 3 needed some work, usually just polishing and taking sharp edges off things. 5 of the 7 fed both magnum and short special length COAL no problem. Be aware most jacketed bull...

mickbr

Thanks Jim, he looks good. I take it you are the fella in the middle? That gent on the right has arms like a wrestler! 3 tough warriors there.

mickbr

Im only a relative newb to this forum, 6-7 years or so. I was wondering when the forum started and whether Paco was an active participant in the forums or just used the site for his articles? Also could anyone tell me how old he is these days. Not that its any of my business, and feel free not to an...

mickbr

Thats a great story doc, times gone by. Id say the dog lived a long and happy life maybe with a slight aversion to your place is all. :wink: My uncles dog got hit broaside with a 12ga load of birdshot when I was a kid. It had been roaming on someones farm Id say and caught a load at range. It wasnt ...

mickbr

Ive shot hogs with a 22LR to the base of the ear and boileroom shot them with a 22mag. The latter over baits at night where plantations meet forest, shots usually only 20-30 yards or so.They die if your shot placement is good. They would run after the hit and we would find them a short way aways int...

mickbr

yes trains are another level. I work in mining where they move material with CAT 793 haul trucks which carry a load of 220tons, the truck looks like a small house, the engine is 7ft tall. Then at the train loadout you see 15,000 tons in 100+ wagons (over a mile long) pulled by just 3-4 engines.

mickbr

Samsi and Paul105 above have it at 1450-1492fps tested which sounds solid. I'm aiming to test 17, 18, maybe 19 grains for interests sake but wont be this weekend as I have hurt my back.

mickbr

Hornady says their stock #45230 XTP, 300 gr bullet has a recommended velocity range of 800 to 1700 fps. The low end of that is much lower than their #45235 XTP Mag bullet. I don't know whether that 800 fps represents the lowest velocity at which it will expand reliably on a deer sized animal and fu...

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Jim T, yes not sure I'll be lining up for top loads with these. Id like to see if they have any utility right around subsonic. Not a lot of 44 mag bullets do, but sometimes you get lucky. TedH these will be going in a Japchester 92 Im picking up soon. Twist I believe for these is 1:26. A little bett...

mickbr

Anyone tried this one folks? I was wondering if it expands at lower speed than the 300 gn XTP. Was looking to try some at lower speeds in a carbine.

mickbr

1492fps... and I estimated 1500, sometimes armchair math works out

mickbr

Ok I will load a few up and see how they go. Anyone want any other levels tested on the day let me know. I take along my Lee Hand press and load at the bench. Probably will have the following with me. 200 and 240gn xtp 200 grain Speer Gold dots. 200 and 240gn hardcast hitek 44special and 44 mag bras...

mickbr

I dont like how it 'improves' all these historical photos either. It changes things or decides things that may not be true. One on facebook was a 100 year old photo of 1920's automobile bogged in a muddy street. It made the car body green, the fittings were mixture of brass and chrome, it had a lant...

mickbr

I have 240gn Jacketed in 44 special but not cast. 245 cast would run a little faster of course. 20" barrel 1892 Rossi, WLP and Starline brass, 240gn XTP 2400 Powder 3 shot groups, rough averages below 14 grains 1150fps 16 grains 1330fps 16.5 grains 1370fps 18 grains 1500fps I guesstimate a 17 g...

mickbr

Coalsmoke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 24, 2026 8:02 am
4t5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 24, 2026 7:32 am Gun banners,
They keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome. Insane.
I think what they expect is a disarmed and demoralized population so mission accomplished.

Actually its not accomplised if you read the whole post. Not all states 'demoralized' either.

mickbr

So after that Bondi shooting the govenment went all out with a media compaign attacking gun owners. Leglisation rushed in just before Christmas. Gun ownership still allowed but the Fed wants only 4 guns per person for recreational shooting, permission for 10 if you are part of shooting/target sports...

mickbr

Looks like you've given up making sense of the serial numbers? I can contribute MAD266XX to the confusion. Blued, 20", screwed-in magazine, top safety I replaced with NKJ peep. Bought used, 10 years ago. Yeah I gave up :D Maybe a call to Rossi might shed some light on things, I might send them...

mickbr

More than once I found lighter bullets worked well on game where a gun magazine said it wouldnt.Things seem to tend to heavier and tougher bullets these days but I'm still happy with regular expansion and weight.

mickbr

Easy lives, sex on tap, drug use, illicit and prescription mental medications. I worked overseas and with 2nd world white folk( say former yugoslavia) the bearing of men and women is so vastly different from us. Even in a war they are less scatterbrained and zany than the average westerner. Steady c...

mickbr

The horses movementwas not true either.

mickbr

My hog shooting is with a R92 44mag 240gn XTP and before that an evern greater amount I shot with 158gn XTP loaded hot in a 357 rossi.
I havent used 45 colt but either the 250xtp or vanilla 300gn XTP would work. The 240 xtp Mag and 300 XTP MAG bullets meant for the 454 wont open much under 1500fps.

mickbr

I had it recommended to me on another forum a couple years back and I took a look and it was a bit much for my interest level. Or I was too dumb to figure it out in a hurry.

mickbr

Thanks Doc, im fairly satsified there appears to be no rhyme or reason to any of it so I wont trouble anyone further

mickbr

Fellas how to you rate recoil and blast from a 444 rifle. Like a stout 30-06? 300 win? Or different altogether.?

mickbr

Thanks for the info. Not a very stirring response from the other 454 owners. Usually someone mentions 454 and we are all over the thread like white on rice.

mickbr

Hi fellas, trying to work out general age or at least 'newest to oldest' for 454 Casull rossis based on their seriel numbers. Also if they numbers indicate whether they were the later improved versions, or the first production runs. I heard updates were made to the guns around 2005 according to a po...

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Its the same everywhere in the world. Most the 30 or so 1st world countries have sold off their manufacture. We exchanged sovereignty for cheap appliances and stock market returns. The china vs west thing is a total work too. Our leaders rattle sabres in the media but our billionaires still do the s...

mickbr

The field reports are many for the xtp due to the popularity of .44 & .45 in sabots for .50 & .54. With 80 to 150 gr. equivalent of b.p. substitute powder or pellets, the muzzle velocities in these instances are comparable to our leveractions. B U T ....Is there a discernible difference bet...

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Bill, the old Remington 240 semi jacket HP were amazing on deer but they made a real mess from my muzzle loader . I'd really like a soft point for most applications but hps are what they are making. Use either and should be fine on deer type critters. How would you know if you can’t hunt with a pis...

mickbr

Correct, they werent using semi-autos which are already banned in Australia. The shotguns are button release, nanny state addition to a semi auto where the action needs to be released by a second button between shots. So everything they owned was street legal, they were also gun licenced( also requi...

mickbr

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-15/bondi-beach-shooting-fruit-shop-gunman-hero-parents-speak/106143864 Not sure if its already been posted. Something like 20 folks killed by two muslim shooters at Bondi beach in Sydney. Going to be a 3 ring circus, maybe like 1996 gun bans were. All media channe...

mickbr

44shooter my thoughts as well.

mickbr

Theres no over all rule for XTP when it comes to expansion or toughness, it varies by bullet. Hornadies expansion velocity chart bears no relation to reality either. The 44 cal 200 XTP for example is quite a bit softer than the 240. It will start to open up just under 1000fps so can actually be used...

mickbr

my only experience with combos was a chiappa double badger in 410/22LR. lovely looking folding gun with two triggers, you could pull it out of anywhere and get a shot off in a second. Only problem was chiappas poor workmanship, spent most of its time in warranty

mickbr

I like both ideas. The35-30 has been done yes. Id guess its a pretty good thumper.

mickbr

zephaniah wrote: ↑Tue Dec 09, 2025 4:54 pm Seniorlevergunner got it right when he said it had to be capable of FULL auto fire. You guys need to get your definitions right.

Regards,

zeph

I did clarify in my first post that the term wasnt coined back in the day- read it again- this is a comparison of the niche, not the wording

mickbr

Its terrible to see. I think voting left or right though will only make surface difference though, Im back in Australia these days and the country is being trialled for some kind of digital ID and kids need to prove ID to be able to use the internet or something. Its a total sham towards control. We...

mickbr

Not that they coined rifles with that exact term back then but were the first lever actions really designed around a need to deal with 2 legged game more than 4 legged game or both. Im no historian, to be honest my knowledge is hazy beyond modern 1892 and 1873' repros but Ive often wondered about lo...

mickbr

Me too Bill and I'm getting tired of this darn tin foil hat I find myself wearing these days.

mickbr

Good article Doc. I don't know how researchers even get this past the pharm giants. As you say once they have a product they have a stranglehold . They fund the research, they control the market, unassailable PR and media backing and they pay the salaries.

mickbr

Good point, wasted energy might be a better term. I prefer bullets to dump as much energy as they can in the animal. Im thinking not much is going to stop the 300's..

mickbr

yes the 300xtp in 45 cal is a slightly softer and better expanding bullet by all accounts.

mickbr

Thanks fellas, I have my eye on one of the above. I'd probably rarely ever use the takedown function in practice . Also wondered how much work is involved eliminating the rebounding hammer? Ive never handled a gun with one( rossis and originals is all Ive played with). How annoying are they? Can any...

mickbr

This current Rossi appears to be beyond my capabilities to solve. It actually has more problems with 44mag than 44 special. Darn it, I am going to return it

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