Is it just me?

Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here ... politely.

Moderators: AmBraCol, Hobie

Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Post Reply
User avatar
TedH
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 8361
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:19 pm
Location: Missouri

Is it just me?

Post by TedH »

I have been shooting my Browning 71 a lot lately looking for the best load with the 250 gr Barnes Original. For some reason, that rifle is just brutal. The muzzle blast and recoil knocks the bejeezus out of me. The 255 Barnes out of my 375 Winchester at 2,000 fps feels like a pussycat next to the 348. Anyone else find this to be the case too?
NRA Life Member
User avatar
RIHMFIRE
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 7728
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:51 am
Location: Florida

Re: Is it just me?

Post by RIHMFIRE »

I suggest you do what I did.......
switch to 22's :wink: :lol: :lol:
LETS GO SHOOT'N BOYS
User avatar
Scott Tschirhart
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 5177
Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
Location: San Antonio, Texas

Re: Is it just me?

Post by Scott Tschirhart »

I find the 71 stock to be among the most comfortable stocks for a hunting rifle. So, no, I haven’t noticed that.

There’s significant recoil to be sure, but no more than a comparable weight .30-06.
User avatar
TedH
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 8361
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:19 pm
Location: Missouri

Re: Is it just me?

Post by TedH »

Scott Tschirhart wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 7:30 am I find the 71 stock to be among the most comfortable stocks for a hunting rifle. So, no, I haven’t noticed that.

There’s significant recoil to be sure, but no more than a comparable weight .30-06.
Different bodies do feel recoil differently. I have a Remington 700 in 270 that I have never considered recoil to be anything significant. I have a friend that's 6'2" and 250 lbs. He thinks that rifle kicks like a mule, and would much rather shoot his 300 Ultra Mag.
NRA Life Member
barbarossa
Senior Levergunner
Posts: 1203
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:46 pm

Re: Is it just me?

Post by barbarossa »

I shoot 30/06 ,270, 45/70 etc no problem but I had a Sako Bavarian carbine in 308 that was unpleasant to shoot after a few rounds.It must of been the stock design because it wasn t a light weight gun despite being a carbine
User avatar
COSteve
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 4085
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:03 pm
Location: A little valley up in the Rockies

Re: Is it just me?

Post by COSteve »

TedH wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:09 pm I have been shooting my Browning 71 a lot lately looking for the best load with the 250 gr Barnes Original. For some reason, that rifle is just brutal. The muzzle blast and recoil knocks the bejeezus out of me. The 255 Barnes out of my 375 Winchester at 2,000 fps feels like a pussycat next to the 348. Anyone else find this to be the case too?
Unfortunately, it's called 'aging'. You do have an alternative to getting older but most choose not to go down that path. I'm coming up on 77 in early November and I've now got to use a shoulder mounted recoil pad even with my .357 mag leverguns as I've got a touch of arthritis in it.

Aging is only for the strong of spirit!
Steve
Retired and Living the Good Life
No Matter Where You Go, There You Are
User avatar
GunnyMack
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 11123
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:57 am
Location: Not where I want to be!

Re: Is it just me?

Post by GunnyMack »

I had a Remington 700 in '06 that just beat me ruthlessly. However my 338 on a K98 that I built in school, I used trap gun stock dimensions so recoil would be more straight line I can shoot all day off a bench with minimal discomfort. Sure it still kicks.
It's all about stock dimensions. Factory guns are made to fit the average body which really does not fit most well.

Your 71 hurts you where? Comb or butt? Pipe insulation works for both, slit it open and slide over the comb or butt to help mitigate recoil.
BROWN LABS MATTER !!
User avatar
COSteve
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 4085
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:03 pm
Location: A little valley up in the Rockies

Re: Is it just me?

Post by COSteve »

Stock design and weight are definitely big factors in felt recoil. My Springfield M1A with a steel buttstock is a joy to shoot while my Win Model 70 in 30-06 with the same level loads (150grn bullet @ 2,850 fps) is more harsh with it's steel buttstock. My wife says that her M1 Carbine is harsh while the lighter AR 16 carbine is much softer.
Steve
Retired and Living the Good Life
No Matter Where You Go, There You Are
User avatar
TedH
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 8361
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:19 pm
Location: Missouri

Re: Is it just me?

Post by TedH »

GunnyMack wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:26 pm
Your 71 hurts you where? Comb or butt? Pipe insulation works for both, slit it open and slide over the comb or butt to help mitigate recoil.
It's not that its necessary painful, it just seems like the amount of recoil is disproportionate to the cartridge being fired. I did some recoil calculations of these three rifles of mine and came up with these numbers.

375 Winchester 17.8 ft lbs
348 Winchester 25.3 ft lbs
375 H&H. 34.2 ft lbs

To me it feels like the 348 and the H&H have about the same felt recoil even though they differ greatly on paper.
Last edited by TedH on Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
NRA Life Member
User avatar
Scott Tschirhart
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 5177
Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
Location: San Antonio, Texas

Re: Is it just me?

Post by Scott Tschirhart »

I had a Steyr Professional in.25-06 that was an absolute pleasure to shoot and extremely accurate. I made shots I should not have been able to make.

I sold it to pay bills and later I bought the same rifle in .30-06. The .30-06 was brutal in recoil.
User avatar
GunnyMack
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 11123
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:57 am
Location: Not where I want to be!

Re: Is it just me?

Post by GunnyMack »

Ted, I'd say it's how the stock geometry was designed, just how the mule kicks.
BROWN LABS MATTER !!
User avatar
Griff
Posting leader...
Posts: 21198
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: OH MY GAWD they installed a STOP light!!!

Re: Is it just me?

Post by Griff »

From the 1886 in .45-70, to the Marlin 375, the 1903-A3 or Garand in .30-06, none recoil as hard as my Remington 700 in 7mmRemMag. But, if it's not up against my shoulder, any of the above will put a world of hurt on me. Heck even the .38Spl in the Rossi 1892 will thump ya if it ain't against your shoulder.
Griff,
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93

There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
User avatar
marlinman93
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 6909
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:40 pm
Location: Oregon

Re: Is it just me?

Post by marlinman93 »

Shot a friend's 71 long ago and also found it pretty harsh for me. Enough so that I didn't fire many shots. Later he began reloading for it and invited me to try his reloads and I loved it then! Very mild and I could have enjoyed shooting up all his ammo!
Pre WWI Marlins and Singleshot rifles!
http://members.tripod.com/~OregonArmsCollectors/
big bear
Levergunner 2.0
Posts: 499
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:56 am

Re: Is it just me?

Post by big bear »

TedH wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:09 pm I have been shooting my Browning 71 a lot lately looking for the best load with the 250 gr Barnes Original. For some reason, that rifle is just brutal. The muzzle blast and recoil knocks the bejeezus out of me. The 255 Barnes out of my 375 Winchester at 2,000 fps feels like a pussycat next to the 348. Anyone else find this to be the case too?
First off I must confess I am a Winchester 71 fanatic. I shoot mine alot. It is the most fun rifle to shoot that I have
I suggest that you try loading lighter (200gr ,220gr) bullets.Also get a PAST shoulder recoil set to use when you are shooting your 71 from the bench.

The Winchester 71 and Savage 99R are the most comfortable hunting rifle stocks ever made.

Cheers!
User avatar
Grizz
Advanced Levergunner
Posts: 12831
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:15 pm

Re: Is it just me?

Post by Grizz »

My 1895 Marlin 45/70 hammers me, in a way that the 338 WM never did. Don't know why, except perhaps stock geometry. Other 45/70s with shorter and longer barrels don't do that. It's a mystery.

The Marlin 444 is another culprit that bruises. It's about the same stock and barrel length as the 1895. They might be kissing cousins.


grizz
Post Reply