'94 30/30

aussie · Post by **aussie** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:11 am

At the range today, the best result off the bench with my Winchester 94 30/30 was about 3" for a 3 shot group. My question is, what do you guys think I should do about altering the sight. Scope? Peep? I'm thinking the eyes aren't what they used to be. I had a scope on it for a while ( about a week) didn't like the look of it, but it certainly shot better groups. Just after a little feedback.

cheers.

jlchucker · Post by **jlchucker** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:12 am

Try a Peep sight with larger arperture. It looks right on the gun, doesn't affect handling characteristics, and is much more accurate once sighted in than the factory rear notch. If you are lucky, the rifle's already drilled and tapped for one, and you may not even have to change the front sight. Williams and Lyman both make excellent, click-adjustable models for Marlin and Winchester leverguns. I even had my Rossi 44 magnum rifle (a decent shooter as it was) drilled and tapped for a Lyman model 66 peep. I've never had any experience with the tang sights mounted on leverguns, but plenty of others have. Good luck.

clubkey · Post by **clubkey** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:17 am

Aussie,

I'm with you. 62 year old eyes just don't work so good anymore and like you I've tried the scopes and peeps, but some how they just seem to ruin the beauty and tradition of an iron sighted lever gun. So, I've learned to accept my three inch groups, but improve my stalking skills.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:15 am

aussie,

You didn't say what range you shot that group with, but if it were 100 yards I wouldn't be too unhappy with it.
When I was shooting a lot with my 94 Winchesters, the average I'd do at 100 yds was 2" +/- a bit groups.

For a different sight picture I prefer a Williams or Lyman receiver sight and a post or sourdough front sight. I can't shoot with a peep sight if the rifle has a bead front sight. They just don't work for me.

Joe

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:45 am

3" groups at 100 yds ain't too bad. But, it can be improved on... and a receiver or tang peep sight would still be a traditional sight and a definite improvement over the factory irons, for our older eyes.

aussie · Post by **aussie** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:52 am

Thanks for the advice fellas. Unfortunately the 3" group was at 50 yards.........now you know why I am disappointed. Sounds like the receiver peep might be the way to go.....worth a try anyway. Not too happy about putting a scope on it, however, having said that, I will if needs be.

cheers.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:59 am

I shoot mine scoped mainly cos I shoot mostly in the dim hours, I'm use to seeing a scope now and it does still handle ok.
Nath.
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t.r. · Post by **t.r.** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:05 am

This young muley was taken with 94 Legasy and 170 grain Win Power Point ammo. Distance was approx 150 yards or so from steady rest. The buck reared up on its hind legs and pawed the air like a stallion. Then it fell over backwards and kicked a few time. The bullet was found balled up under the hide after destroying chest organs. Performance was as good as it gets.

Scope is a TASCO 2.5X shotgun scope that holds its zero nicely. I'll keep it until it fails.

This carbine will shoot into a 2 inch circle at 100 yards with any ammo.

TR

horsesoldier03 · Post by **horsesoldier03** » Fri May 09, 2008 6:28 pm

3"s at 100 yards isnt bad at all for Iron Sights! In reality its pretty darn good for old eyes! You may hear alot of talk about people claiming better, but I have seldom seen it done. As long as your shooting at medium size game I dont see the need to change it. If it were me, I would go to a peep or ghost ring sight on a lever before I went to a scope.

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:44 am

aussie-1/3Minute of Pieplate=venison (1/3 minute of Buck ribs) at 100 yards will put meat in the freezer(well depends on the size of the freezer).

Works for me.

aussie · Post by **aussie** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:21 am

Yeah fellas, you're right. This is never gonna be a target rifle and I never bought it as such. Guess I'll have to do a little more shooting with it and, after all, I use it as a hunter. Having said that, my Marlin 94 in 44mag and my Win Legacy in 45Colt both group better. Thanks for all the feedback guys, I really appreciate it.

cheers.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:43 am

Peep peep peep

Even if groups did not shrink, they are easier and faster for me.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Sun May 11, 2008 8:50 pm

using a ghost ring can give you pretty large groups, unless you can orient your front sight the same way each time within the image. A smaller aperture is inherently more accurate, but creates problems with the amount of light you get.

I have globe fronts on most of my guns, and I try to make sure the ring of the globe is centered within the round image. If it is, the size of the rear aperture is not important. Once I had a bunch of Foster's cans with me (the 25 oz ones) and wanted to shoot them at 75 yards. Then I discovered I had forgotten my peep aperture. I had only the big ghost ring it screws into.

At first I couldn't hit anything, but once I started centering the ring of the globe front inside my ghost ring, I nailed one after the other. It gave me a reference for lining up front and back.

OJ · Post by OJ » Mon May 12, 2008 11:43 pm

Tycer wrote:Peep peep peep

Even if groups did not shrink, they are easier and faster for me.

Me too - Here's the Williams 94/36 on my 94 - didn't even require any D/T

And on my Winchester 95 (D/T needed)-

And my BL22- FPGR - fits the grooves for scopes on rimfires - I've subsequently leveled it with the adjustment screws -

Jeff Cooper maintained larger apertures (ghost ring) didn't decrease accuracy and, once you get accustomed to focusing on the front sight and ignoring the ring, that's been my experience also - for 82 year old eyes. Somehow, the appearance of scopes on lever guns don't fit for me but, YMMV.

I even went to the XS ghost ring sight replacing the stock aperture half the size of the ghost ring on my M1A with very good results -