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I haven't found a good reason to buy a Ruger 77/357, though I've tried to think of one, but this article from SnipersHide forum just might change my mind - http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hi ... l-sbr.html

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I think I'd really, really like a 77-357.......With a good quality red dot....

(Is it true that if I went through the hoops to buy a can for my Ruger Scout Rifle, I'd not be able to take it out of state? :evil: )
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I've been looking really hard at a 77/44 but I was just reading over on graybeard's forums that

a member there has been having feeding problems. Now I'm skeered of them.
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Rusty wrote:I've been looking really hard at a 77/44 but I was just reading over on graybeard's forums that a member there has been having feeding problems. Now I'm skeered of them.
My 77/44 feeds 240 factory and reload, and 265 grain reloads very well. It is of the stainless/synthetic vintage. The 1:20 twist is probably good for the 265 grainers but I normally just use 240's.
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BlaineG wrote:Is it true that if I went through the hoops to buy a can for my Ruger Scout Rifle, I'd not be able to take it out of state? :evil:
[color=#4040FF](link)[/color] [color=#FF0000]>[/color] FirearmsLawGroup wrote:"Individuals wishing to move NFA firearms between states on a temporary basis must abide by two rules. An individual must obtain prior permission from ATF to move machine guns, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns or destructive devices between states. Permission is requested from ATF via ATF Form 5320.20, and is generally approved in a timely manner. Disapproval generally occurs only when the destination state prohibits NFA firearms. Approval from ATF may be for a specific location and period of time, or may be broadly construed to include a number of states, as long as NFA firearms are permitted in each of the listed destination states. Approval for interstate transportation of NFA firearms will generally be granted for a maximum of one year."
However.....
[color=#4040FF](link)[/color] [color=#FF0000]>[/color] Silencer Forum wrote:"Registrants do not have to obtain permission from ATF to move a silencer or “any other weapon” interstate. However, if a registrant’s address for these types of firearms changes after registration with ATF, please notify the NFA Branch in writing of the new address, so the NFRTR can reflect the registrant’s correct address. "
I believe the distinguishing issue is "firearm" vs "silencers", so you should be ok. . . ("should be" - i.e. I ain't no lawyer, so you might want to double-check with the ATF... :wink: )
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So would you do the 77/44 again?

Are you thinking of putting a can on it?
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Rusty wrote:So would you do the 77/44 again?

Are you thinking of putting a can on it?
I don't have a 44/45 caliber can, but I do have a Mystic, so threading a 357 Mag or 357 Max would be the easiest way for me to get a 'deer-capable' suppressed firearm legal for Indiana.

They do make some integrally-suppressed Ruger 77/44 and 96/44 firearms, though, and either would be kinda cool...
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I was talking to a LGS owner not not long ago. He said he couldn't understand why everyone was using
suppressed .308 as the go to gun for all this night time hog hunting that seems to be going on. Based on experience shooting hogs and deer with muzzleloaders a .45 or .50 cal will usually drop the animal DRT so why go with a lesser caliber round.
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Rusty wrote:I was talking to a LGS owner not not long ago. He said he couldn't understand why everyone was using
suppressed .308 as the go to gun for all this night time hog hunting that seems to be going on. Based on experience shooting hogs and deer with muzzleloaders a .45 or .50 cal will usually drop the animal DRT so why go with a lesser caliber round.
Perhaps they value their hearing? Or perhaps they don't want to carry something THAT heavy around? If I was afflicted by a hog population, one of those black rifles in .308 cal (or perhaps 6.5 grendel or 6.8spc) and suppressed would likely be my solution.
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But why not put a silencer on a .44 or .45?
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Rusty wrote:But why not put a silencer on a .44 or .45?
I agree to the extent that to suppress well, a 308 needs subsonic ammo likue any other round, and a big fat chunk of lead going slow is what a 77/44 or 96/44 already throws. A 308's advantage is that it is a skinny chunk of lead but goes fast for a flat trajectory and more energy. You lose that advantage going subsonic. Now if a guy doesn't already have a 308 I CAN see why he'd want one for other reasons.
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AJMD429 wrote:
Rusty wrote:But why not put a silencer on a .44 or .45?
I agree to the extent that to suppress well, a 308 needs subsonic ammo likue any other round, and a big fat chunk of lead going slow is what a 77/44 or 96/44 already throws. A 308's advantage is that it is a skinny chunk of lead but goes fast for a flat trajectory and more energy. You lose that advantage going subsonic. Now if a guy doesn't already have a 308 I CAN see why he'd want one for other reasons.
Don't think I've ever seen a lever action with a supressor. :)

So a quick google search later...

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/rifl ... ion-rifle/

Interesting, but I think the AR platform is the path of least resistance.

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Familyguy wrote:
AJMD429 wrote:
Rusty wrote:But why not put a silencer on a .44 or .45?
I agree to the extent that to suppress well, a 308 needs subsonic ammo likue any other round, and a big fat chunk of lead going slow is what a 77/44 or 96/44 already throws. A 308's advantage is that it is a skinny chunk of lead but goes fast for a flat trajectory and more energy. You lose that advantage going subsonic. Now if a guy doesn't already have a 308 I CAN see why he'd want one for other reasons.
Don't think I've ever seen a lever action with a supressor. :)

So a quick google search later...

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/rifl ... ion-rifle/

Interesting, but I think the AR platform is the path of least resistance.

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Familyguy wrote: Interesting, but I think the AR platform is the path of least resistance.

If you mean action noise, port blast, gas in the face… then yes. :D
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Familyguy wrote:Don't think I've ever seen a lever action with a supressor.
Then you ain't been to my place as a 'newbie' wanting to learn to shoot; this is the gun I ALWAYS use to start folks out, as it is totally quiet, no recoil, and with the 'heads-up' dot sight, it is easy to HIT the 6" gong at 50 yards 100% of the time, unlike all the "kid's 22's" out there, with their low-to-barrel iron sights, or an optical scope, with its limited eye-relief.

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Bottom line is I think of this - if someone bet me $100 that a newbie couldn't hit the 6" gong at 100 yards, I wouldn't hand them a firearm I myself would prefer (i.e. a scoped flat-top AR, scoped bolt-action, or a peep-sighted levergun); I'd hand them this levergun, with an integrally-suppressed Thompson Machine 'Operative' (designed originally for the Ruger 10/22). http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... v6_5fuuimc, http://www.thompsonmachine.net/?page_id=14

This approach to 'new shooters' and 'skeptical shooters' (i.e. the kid whose mom isn't sure she wants him/her to learn about 'guns', or the husband who wants a gun in the house, and his wife is scared of them, so he brings her out to 'learn to shoot') really WORKS. Within four hours of firing this levergun, they will be shooting a 44 Magnum revolver and an M1-A, and enjoying it, plus hitting their targets...!!!

Those first few dozen shots with the suppressed levergun, hitting the target consistently, and not enduring any recoil or noise, instill a level of confidence and FUN that I've not been able to achieve without a suppressed firearm.

It takes about five minutes with a jewel-file to cut the second extractor groove for the lever action 96/22 vs. the 10/22, but if you don't want to do that, you can always just get one for your 10/22 and use it that way (you can always later cut the groove and use it on your 96/22, and I think even adapt it to a 77/22).

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I just can't get past the Graft you have to pay to the Fed Gov in order to use a device that OSHA would mandate in every other circumstance... and fine you if your DIDN'T have...
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Old Ironsights wrote:I just can't get past the Graft you have to pay to the Fed Gov in order to use a device that OSHA would mandate in every other circumstance... and fine you if your DIDN'T have...
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Old Ironsights wrote:I just can't get past the Graft you have to pay to the Fed Gov in order to use a device that OSHA would mandate in every other circumstance... and fine you if your DIDN'T have...
I got past it, but only by writing a $200 check... :?

Still, suppressors ARE addicting - even moreso than leverguns, I think. . . :o

The thing is, to get one like the Mystic (http://libertycans.net/mystic/), where you can use it on so many different rifles; then it becomes an almost-trivial cost, in terms of all the firearms you can use it on.
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cas wrote:
Familyguy wrote: Interesting, but I think the AR platform is the path of least resistance.

If you mean action noise, port blast, gas in the face… then yes. :D
If it's quiet enough that I'm concerned about "action noise" I think the goal has been achieved. :)

My local range has demo models of various manufacturer's cans installed on AR's that you can test fire. When I get some free time, I'll give them all a little range time and then start the paperwork.

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So, with the mention of a suppressed .308 shooting sub-sonic ammo, just how loud will a suppressed .308 be shooting typical, supersonic ammo? Just how loud would the "sonic boom" (crack?) be if the muzzle blast is quieted?
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