All this talk about 1911s... Something new
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- Panzercat
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All this talk about 1911s... Something new
So all this talk about 1911s got me thinking about what I ran across the other day sourcing my next toy. Well, truth be told it started by researching the 5.7x28mm round and all the hype around it-- You know, explosive laser beam bullets that are only available in stupid expensive weapons -to Masterpiece Arms MAC10 semi clones (incidentally available in explosive laser beam calibers). In the end, I just decided on a 5.56 AR pistol, but I did happen across this in the process--
Armscor .22 TCM
Yep, that funky necked down .22 there. Like the 5.7, the idea is propelling small projectiles at high speeds-- In this case, 2100fps with some loads hitting Mach 2. The low recoil round purportedly creates comparatively large wound cavities while expending it's energy quickly on the target, with supposed bonuses against body armor. I've seen water jug tests where a normal .22lr will penetrate deeper, but without as much destructive force going in. So what does that have to do with 1911s?
Glad you asked.
Meet the RIA/Armscor .22tcm, a full-sized 1911 with 17 round capacity. Personally, I think they did a smart thing here, something that FN kinda failed at: RIA picked a well respected platform to field their fledgling ammunition instead of pushing it through a more exotic and expensive firearm. As a self defense round, I'm half tempted. Even better, the 1911 easily converts to 9mm should you feel the need to change it up... Or this .22tcm stuff becomes harder/more expensive to come by. That said, i don't think RIA is going anywhere anytime soon.
And last I checked, a .22lr doesn't do this to a watermelon from a handgun--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8k-fhymVU
Armscor .22 TCM
Yep, that funky necked down .22 there. Like the 5.7, the idea is propelling small projectiles at high speeds-- In this case, 2100fps with some loads hitting Mach 2. The low recoil round purportedly creates comparatively large wound cavities while expending it's energy quickly on the target, with supposed bonuses against body armor. I've seen water jug tests where a normal .22lr will penetrate deeper, but without as much destructive force going in. So what does that have to do with 1911s?
Glad you asked.
Meet the RIA/Armscor .22tcm, a full-sized 1911 with 17 round capacity. Personally, I think they did a smart thing here, something that FN kinda failed at: RIA picked a well respected platform to field their fledgling ammunition instead of pushing it through a more exotic and expensive firearm. As a self defense round, I'm half tempted. Even better, the 1911 easily converts to 9mm should you feel the need to change it up... Or this .22tcm stuff becomes harder/more expensive to come by. That said, i don't think RIA is going anywhere anytime soon.
And last I checked, a .22lr doesn't do this to a watermelon from a handgun--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf8k-fhymVU
...Proud owner of the 11.43×23mm automatic using depleted Thorium rounds.
Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
Dramatic, but I believe that any high velocity round will create that kind of cavitation.
I love 1911's, and I'd be more interested in a concealed carry size pistol.
That would be "interesting."
I love 1911's, and I'd be more interested in a concealed carry size pistol.
That would be "interesting."
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
A commander style, maybe?FWiedner wrote:Dramatic, but I believe that any high velocity round will create that kind of cavitation.
I love 1911's, and I'd be more interested in a concealed carry size pistol.
That would be "interesting."
And sure, any high velocity round does that, but when was the last time you got it in a 1911?
That said, you're right. It's dying for a compact frame, maybe some glock with a high number suffix
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
Look up the .224 BOZ. Same idea.
Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
My LGS has one, but what about ammo? How hard is it going to be to keep some in stock, and...
what you said about the body armor. How long before someone decides it violates the law in that it is armor piercing? Frankly I wonder how FN got away with that one.
what you said about the body armor. How long before someone decides it violates the law in that it is armor piercing? Frankly I wonder how FN got away with that one.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
All the more reason to get one before they 'ban' them...Rusty wrote:How long before someone decides it violates the law in that it is armor piercing?
Dress right, and a 1911 most certainly IS a 'concealed carry size' pistol. . .FWiedner wrote:I love 1911's, and I'd be more interested in a concealed carry size pistol.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
It can be made by cuttng down 223 brass. Fair amount of wok tho. I handled a RIA 5" 1911 in 9mm. Nice pistol. I could have gotten the combo in thw 22CM and 9mm for $375ish lat year but they were back ordered forever. Didnt really want a double stack 1911 tho.Rusty wrote:My LGS has one, but what about ammo? How hard is it going to be to keep some in stock, and...
what you said about the body armor. How long before someone decides it violates the law in that it is armor piercing? Frankly I wonder how FN got away with that one.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
Yep, if they can work the ammo, I'd consider one of these down the road to match my stainless. The 9mm conversion is just a bonus.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
I have been seriously considering a Kel Tec .22 mag.
I might switch to this, looks good.
I might switch to this, looks good.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
Especially if it can be had as just an Upper & Mag for the lower I already have...Mescalero wrote:I have been seriously considering a Kel Tec .22 mag.
I might switch to this, looks good.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
For you. You're like what... 7 feet tall?AJMD429 wrote:All the more reason to get one before they 'ban' them...Rusty wrote:How long before someone decides it violates the law in that it is armor piercing?Dress right, and a 1911 most certainly IS a 'concealed carry size' pistol. . .FWiedner wrote:I love 1911's, and I'd be more interested in a concealed carry size pistol.
I'd need to dress like Robert DeNiro in "Taxi".
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
Diid'nt they say it was a wide body frame?
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
Double stacked.Mescalero wrote:Diid'nt they say it was a wide body frame?
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
The difference???????????
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
That was a confirmation, not an argument :pMescalero wrote:The difference???????????
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
That made me choke for a few seconds. a DS is "a lot" thicker than a single stack. Like comparing a 1x2 to a 2x4 or a Mop handle to an Axe handle.Panzercat wrote:That was a confirmation, not an argument :pMescalero wrote:The difference???????????
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
How do they "feel" compared to a Tauras 92?
I find that feeling ( uncomfortable).
I find that feeling ( uncomfortable).
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Re: All this talk about 1911s... Something new
It never ceases to amaze me how the 1911 get done and done and done. Dont get me wrong. I have a kimber that is great but its nothing like a good steel wheelgun
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