Stepping back in time....UMC .22 B.P. Ctgs. in a 39A Marlin

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Stepping back in time....UMC .22 B.P. Ctgs. in a 39A Marlin

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Not too long ago I located an old 2 piece box of 22 LR cartridges. Most all the writing on the box was gone but I could barely make out "UMC" on the bottom edge. I pulled one of the bullets and found out that they are b.p. cartridges. :D

As the pic shows, the lube was dried out and there is some tarnishng of the copper case. Thankfully, they cleaned up ok. I used a toothbrush to clean off the dry lube and a bore brush to clean off the cartridge case (right). I then relubed with SPG, wiping it on with my fingers.

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Well.......tried to fire a couple of the original UMC .22 b.p. cartridges but click, click....priming compound is "deader than a doornail". I wasn't totally surprised, just a bit disappointed.

So......I spent a couple of hours cleaning and pulling bullets and powder from the UMC cartridges. Thankfully, the case was not crimped into the bullet heel so the heel was not distorted in the process.

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Bullet diameter .225"
factory powder compression: .035"

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I have been in the process of getting set up to load .22 LR b.p. cartridges over the past couple of years and have 5,000 Armscor primed .22LR cases, so I loaded the 4.5 grs. of the original powder into Armscor cases and seated the U.M.C. bullets with a Lyman H&I .225 die.

10 loaded and ready to go
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I had a chance to shoot 10 of the assembled b.p. cartridges recently at my clubs 50 ft. indoor range since the weather wasn't too good outdoors and I was anxious to test them.

I was very pleased with the results.
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As Jackie Gleason would say "How sweet it is!"
I'm saving the rest of the cartridges to test at 50 and 100 yards once decent weather arises.
The fouling in the barrel was surprisingly light.

I am waiting for a David Mos mold to produce a copy of the original UMC bullet. I'm looking forward to producing some 22 b.p. cartridges to shoot some NRA Smallbore Cowboy Silhouette just like those that have gone before us would have done if Cowboy Silhouette would have been around in the late 1800's.............

To be continued.........

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Cool! Looks like a lot of fun.

I read your posts a year or so ago about reloading some 22's with black powder. I've wanted to try it since.
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Great report. Thanks, 1886.
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Why were the orginal 22 in copper casings? Was that common or paticular to this brand? Just wondering.
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VERY COOL John! Can hardly wait for the next report!
I fired some original 1880s mfg'd BP paper patched 11mm Mannlicher rounds that had a lube cookie under the bullets and was also surprised at how clean the bore was after 10 rounds..Had a dull shine to it.... didn't look any dirtier than it did after a couple of rounds.. Group ran about 8-9 inches at a hunnert but I figure that was cause part of the patching was sticking to the cases...Big fun..
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Cool...!
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Interesting post, thanks :D
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Never heard of buying primed rimfire cases, is that a speciality item or do they sell them like that all the time?

What else would someone do with them?
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Pretty neat Jack. I just "knows" you is gonna have some of them at the Regional matches come July. :D

I shot some factory original .22 bp not long ago and they all went off. I think I have a few boxes laying around and I'll bring 'em.

I also plan to have some fun with the "match riggers" up there. How about an '86 in 45-90 with bp? Its legal for the match and hopefully there won't be any wind so I'll just make a mess out of everything for, you know, fun. :D We all know Gunny and I like to have fun. :D --------Sixgun
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Neat! Thanks for the report.
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Oh, that has just got the cool factor in spades!!! 8) 8) 8)

Did you buy the primed Armscor brass already without bullet and powder, or pull those as well?
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Very neat John!
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Guys,
Thank you for the kind words. :D

In answer to your questions:
Copper cases were early rimfire cartridge technology and were used until into the 1930's or so....I think...
Primed 22 cases can be purchased from http://www.thehuntingshack.com but they are currently out of stock

Hobie...ah, The Book.....well, I haven't completed it yet...I've been working on other things.....

Sixgun,
Ha! 45-90 black powder..no wind...you won't be able to see your next target and after a couple of shots the folks on either either side of you won't be able to see theirs either! :mrgreen:
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w30wcf wrote: Hobie...ah, The Book.....well, I haven't completed it yet...I've been working on other things.....
I hope you will allow me eager anticipation...
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Book? What book?
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