gunsafe reccomendations????
Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:38 pm
gunsafe reccomendations????
I am planning on purchasing a gun safe and am just wondering for those of u that have them which do u think is better- a standard combination lock or one of the new electronic ones??? of course the electronic would be more convenient- just wondering how they hold up and how the standard combo locks hold up for that matter. the one i am looking at says it has a trouble key so i guess that can be opened manually as well.
opinions
opinions
- deerwhacker444
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1300
- Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:12 pm
- Location: Oklahoma
I've got a Canon with the electronic lock. It works great. Had it for 5+ years. Can get in the safe in 2-3 seconds. When the battery is about to go out, it beeps. You change the battery and everything is normal again.
Would highly recommend a Canon with the electronic lock.
Would highly recommend a Canon with the electronic lock.
"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men
shall possess the highest seats in Government,
our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots
to prevent its ruin." Samuel Adams
shall possess the highest seats in Government,
our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots
to prevent its ruin." Samuel Adams
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:38 pm
does yours also have a "trouble" key to manually open the lock??deerwhacker444 wrote:I've got a Canon with the electronic lock. It works great. Had it for 5+ years. Can get in the safe in 2-3 seconds. When the battery is about to go out, it beeps. You change the battery and everything is normal again.
Would highly recommend a Canon with the electronic lock.
-
- Site Sponsor
- Posts: 2507
- Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:05 pm
- Location: Lampasas, Texas
- Contact:
Whatever you buy it should be fireproof. Your guns are more likely to burn than be stolen. Unless you have have highly collectable pricy guns it's rather point less to buy a high end safe. Any of the medium priced Cannons will do for most folk.
But, if I had it to do over I would have bought a good safe door and frame and built a safe room.
But, if I had it to do over I would have bought a good safe door and frame and built a safe room.
Steve Young aka Nate Kiowa Jones Sass# 6765
Steve's Guns aka "Rossi 92 Specialists"
205 Antler lane
Lampasas, Texas 76550
http://www.stevesgunz.com
Email; steve@stevesgunz.com
Tel: 512-564-1015
Steve's Guns aka "Rossi 92 Specialists"
205 Antler lane
Lampasas, Texas 76550
http://www.stevesgunz.com
Email; steve@stevesgunz.com
Tel: 512-564-1015
- Ysabel Kid
- Moderator
- Posts: 27903
- Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:10 pm
- Location: South Carolina, USA
- Contact:
Check out Zanotti safes.....They come UNASSEMBLED.
That is a great advantage if you have to move it up or down stairs or if you wnat a safe larger than the door frame of your house or a particular room.
I have a buddy with one who actually put it under the steps in his house in what was once a closet. There is a bookshelf/door in front of it now and I would wager 90% of thieves would never find it.
That is a great advantage if you have to move it up or down stairs or if you wnat a safe larger than the door frame of your house or a particular room.
I have a buddy with one who actually put it under the steps in his house in what was once a closet. There is a bookshelf/door in front of it now and I would wager 90% of thieves would never find it.
I bought a nice big one back in '92 with a manual dial. I always had trouble getting it to open. Last year I had a locksmith come out last year and replace it with an electronic lock. I love the electronic.
Like others have said get the biggest one you can get, you won't regret it.
Like others have said get the biggest one you can get, you won't regret it.
MikeS.
Master Mason
Worshipful Master of Triluminar Lodge 117
Jefferson county, WV.
Master Mason
Worshipful Master of Triluminar Lodge 117
Jefferson county, WV.
Yes, purchase one larger than you need!
Combination lock here. I too am rather leery of the electronic age.
Bolt it in/down in an area that will be difficult for thieves to access the back and sides.
--I was just reading about safes evening before last. Can't remember the--I just remembered where:
http://www.internetarmory.com/safes.htm
Combination lock here. I too am rather leery of the electronic age.
Bolt it in/down in an area that will be difficult for thieves to access the back and sides.
--I was just reading about safes evening before last. Can't remember the--I just remembered where:
http://www.internetarmory.com/safes.htm
-
- Levergunner 3.0
- Posts: 753
- Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:02 pm
- Location: North Arkansas
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:38 pm
the one i am looking at says it includes a "trouble key" so i assume there must be a key-hole behind the keypad or where the batteries go in or someplace.SmokeEater2 wrote:Maybe You guys can answer a question for me. Do the keypad safes have another way to open them? After a house fire that keypad is gonna' be gone.
So how do you get your guns out?
I also have trouble getting combo locks to open for me at any rate of speed so thats why i want to get the electronic- if there is a key to open it in case of electrical problems than there shouldn't be a problem with them.
- Griff
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 20864
- Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:56 pm
- Location: OH MY GAWD they installed a STOP light!!!
If you're located near Central California, look at Hall's Safes. I have the "Deluxe Model" with a 25 gun interior. Empty weight: 900lbs I think. And their artwork is fabulous.
Griff,
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
SASS/CMSA #93
NRA Patron
GUSA #93
There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
Has anyone looked at the Stack-On Elite Plus - the ones that are at Dick's sporting goods (back east)? These are supposibly waterproof up to 2 or 3 ft and fireproof? the have a black body and gray door - weight about 600 lbs and hold 28 guns for $599.
they look to be a good deal to me - anybody see these?
they look to be a good deal to me - anybody see these?
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:38 pm
Stack-On Elite fire resistant 24 gun model is the one i am looking at through the sportsmans guide company. price appears to be the same as elsewhere when u add up the different shipping costs from all companies.AndyM wrote:Has anyone looked at the Stack-On Elite Plus - the ones that are at Dick's sporting goods (back east)? These are supposibly waterproof up to 2 or 3 ft and fireproof? the have a black body and gray door - weight about 600 lbs and hold 28 guns for $599.
they look to be a good deal to me - anybody see these?
I am getting it more for fire protection and to keep kids out when the day comes that i have some. sounds like it has pretty much the same features as the more expensive ones i have looked at. some have a better fire rating. this one is rated for 30 minutes at 1400 degrees.
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:38 pm
- El Chivo
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3611
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:12 pm
- Location: Red River Gorge Area
I have the Cannon with the electronic code. One thing, if you enter it wrong, you have to wait a minute or two before trying again. Once I was in a hurry and did it wrong, then had to stand there and wait!
If there's a fire and the lock burns up, Cannon will get into it for you as part of the warranty. Ditto if thieves damage the safe trying to get in.
If there's a fire and the lock burns up, Cannon will get into it for you as part of the warranty. Ditto if thieves damage the safe trying to get in.
"I'll tell you what living is. You get up when you feel like it. You fry yourself some eggs. You see what kind of a day it is."
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 42
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:38 pm
- horsesoldier03
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 2072
- Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:32 pm
- Location: Kansas
Mine has the electronic key board. The key board is removable and has a key hole with 2 keys provided that allows you to enter the safe if you should forget your combo. I keep the keys stored seperately and have them hanging on a nail in the utility closet that is out of sight unless you happen to be working on my hotwater heater.
- horsesoldier03
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 2072
- Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:32 pm
- Location: Kansas
- Rimfire McNutjob
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3156
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:51 pm
- Location: Sanford, FL.
I have a Fort Knox with the electronic lock. I find it fairly quick to open and it uses two 9v batteries internally which seem to last for several years between changes.
I do periodically have trouble though. If the wheel / pinion is to the extreme closed point, the lock with try to retract but will not release. I then have to move the wheel about 30 degrees counter clockwise and try again. It always opens at this point. I just have to remember not to spin the wheel all the way closed. I probably should have a locksmith look at it as it's probably correctable.
As much as I like the electronic lock, I can't claim it's 100% reliable. I think what I probably need is one with a higher bolt drive capability. It would have been nice if the factory had supplied a properly sized version though.
Here are a few of the available items from S&G ...
http://www.sargentandgreenleaf.com/prod_elect.php
I do periodically have trouble though. If the wheel / pinion is to the extreme closed point, the lock with try to retract but will not release. I then have to move the wheel about 30 degrees counter clockwise and try again. It always opens at this point. I just have to remember not to spin the wheel all the way closed. I probably should have a locksmith look at it as it's probably correctable.
As much as I like the electronic lock, I can't claim it's 100% reliable. I think what I probably need is one with a higher bolt drive capability. It would have been nice if the factory had supplied a properly sized version though.
Here are a few of the available items from S&G ...
http://www.sargentandgreenleaf.com/prod_elect.php
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 177
- Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:52 am
- Location: Houston, TX
I am about to order a fort knox safe (in the next day or two once I verify with the company it will fit) but I am specifically going for a mechanical lock like my old safe.
I have electronic locks on the house doors. A smart thief would look at the wear pattern and can determine the 4 numbers used quickly. Now he only has to figure the order out. I have to replace that key pad about once a year to really stop the wear pattern or change then number routinely to solve this problem.
With a mechanical lock, I just learned the right "english" to spin the lock so I can hit it quickly.
I have electronic locks on the house doors. A smart thief would look at the wear pattern and can determine the 4 numbers used quickly. Now he only has to figure the order out. I have to replace that key pad about once a year to really stop the wear pattern or change then number routinely to solve this problem.
With a mechanical lock, I just learned the right "english" to spin the lock so I can hit it quickly.
38-55 & 38/44 What a combination!
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 420
- Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:45 am
- Location: Long Island N.Y.
Someone brought up the wear pattern on the keyboard being a possible liability . My safe uses 6 key strokes and even if you knew the 6 the odds of you getting them in the right order is astronomical . If you could have the ability to get it right your better off playing the lottery then trying to get in someones gunsafe Think of all the guns you could buy with a millon dollar lottery hit
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 177
- Joined: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:52 am
- Location: Houston, TX
It has been a while since I thought about it, but my basic series math is not that old.
First off, since there is 6 numbers and 6 marks that means none were reused. So with that said the odds are now quite small.
Think about it. This is very similar to a 6 sided die with your numbers on it. Lets say your combo is 6,5,4,3,2,1. I walk in. I figure out you are using 1,2,3,4,5,6 as the numbers. Now I have a bit of time and I am patient so I lay out a table on paper. Being a scientist I start simple and try the following.
1,2,3,4,5,6 nope
1,2,3,4,6,5 nope
1,2,3,6,4,5 nope
1,2,6,3,4,5 nope
1,6,2,3,4,5 nope
6,1,2,3,4,5 nope
etc.
6,5,4,3,2,1 yep
Surprisingly it is not that many combinations. As I remember this is called a series and I believe it is a factorial series. Thus 6*5*4*3*2*1 or 720 combinations to test.
So how long to punch in 720 numbers if I am patient? Maybe 30 minutes max? (Unless the lock has a timeout for error function).
Now all of you real math guys please hope in and correct the amateur that has not thought about series for almost 30 years from college. I admit it, I could be very wrong here so don't trust me until some better math guy comes along.
First off, since there is 6 numbers and 6 marks that means none were reused. So with that said the odds are now quite small.
Think about it. This is very similar to a 6 sided die with your numbers on it. Lets say your combo is 6,5,4,3,2,1. I walk in. I figure out you are using 1,2,3,4,5,6 as the numbers. Now I have a bit of time and I am patient so I lay out a table on paper. Being a scientist I start simple and try the following.
1,2,3,4,5,6 nope
1,2,3,4,6,5 nope
1,2,3,6,4,5 nope
1,2,6,3,4,5 nope
1,6,2,3,4,5 nope
6,1,2,3,4,5 nope
etc.
6,5,4,3,2,1 yep
Surprisingly it is not that many combinations. As I remember this is called a series and I believe it is a factorial series. Thus 6*5*4*3*2*1 or 720 combinations to test.
So how long to punch in 720 numbers if I am patient? Maybe 30 minutes max? (Unless the lock has a timeout for error function).
Now all of you real math guys please hope in and correct the amateur that has not thought about series for almost 30 years from college. I admit it, I could be very wrong here so don't trust me until some better math guy comes along.
38-55 & 38/44 What a combination!
- Old Ironsights
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 15084
- Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:27 am
- Location: Waiting for the Collapse
- Contact:
Re: gunsafe reccomendations????
None of the above. People know what's in a gun safe and will try real hard to get in/take it out.farmer44mag wrote:I am planning on purchasing a gun safe and am just wondering for those of u that have them which do u think is better- a standard combination lock or one of the new electronic ones??? of course the electronic would be more convenient- just wondering how they hold up and how the standard combo locks hold up for that matter. the one i am looking at says it has a trouble key so i guess that can be opened manually as well.
opinions
I like Security through Obscurity:
Locks, is fireproof, and Cheaper than a Vault-safe too.
C2N14... because life is not energetic enough.
מנא, מנא, תקל, ופרסין Daniel 5:25-28... Got 7.62?
Not Depressed enough yet? Go read National Geographic, July 1976
Gott und Gewehr mit uns!
מנא, מנא, תקל, ופרסין Daniel 5:25-28... Got 7.62?
Not Depressed enough yet? Go read National Geographic, July 1976
Gott und Gewehr mit uns!
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 36
- Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:29 pm
- Location: Glendale, AZ, USA
Just Jumped on a new Cabelas (Read really a Lincoln Safe)
Has electronic lock. 2 Nine volt batteries, One nine volt keeps on board litium battery charged. If nine volt gets low starts beeping, the second 9 volt takes over keeping he lithium charged and the beep beeping.
Mfg Rep states the lithium battery is good for about 10 years.
New model safe actually only uses 1 9 volt again the lithium will last a good while on its own and the lock beeps when 9 volt battery is low.
Sorry steve young, I don't have any truly collectable guns, but dads old model 94 is irreplaceable, so I really overspent for the fire protection. Figure in a couple of years, I will have forgotten how much I over spent on the safe and will be focusing on how much I just overspent on the latest item taking up space in the safe.
Again get as much protection as you can afford and get the largest you can afford. Remember all safes are designed to be outgrown.
Has electronic lock. 2 Nine volt batteries, One nine volt keeps on board litium battery charged. If nine volt gets low starts beeping, the second 9 volt takes over keeping he lithium charged and the beep beeping.
Mfg Rep states the lithium battery is good for about 10 years.
New model safe actually only uses 1 9 volt again the lithium will last a good while on its own and the lock beeps when 9 volt battery is low.
Sorry steve young, I don't have any truly collectable guns, but dads old model 94 is irreplaceable, so I really overspent for the fire protection. Figure in a couple of years, I will have forgotten how much I over spent on the safe and will be focusing on how much I just overspent on the latest item taking up space in the safe.
Again get as much protection as you can afford and get the largest you can afford. Remember all safes are designed to be outgrown.
SASS #75655
"Follow Me"
"Follow Me"
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 38
- Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:00 pm
- Borregos
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 4756
- Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:40 am
- Location: Ontario, Canada
Never trusted those electronic locks.
Went to Florida on a vacation years ago and was lucky to get the hire car upgraded to a Lincoln Town Car, that had an electronic key pad to get in.
I think it only took my youngest daughter (12yrs old then) five minutes to get in and sit behind the wheel!!
Went to Florida on a vacation years ago and was lucky to get the hire car upgraded to a Lincoln Town Car, that had an electronic key pad to get in.
I think it only took my youngest daughter (12yrs old then) five minutes to get in and sit behind the wheel!!
Pete
Sometimes I wonder if it is worthwhile gnawing through the leather straps to get up in the morning..................
Sometimes I wonder if it is worthwhile gnawing through the leather straps to get up in the morning..................
I have a Browning Sterling with a combination dial lock, and like it pretty well. Whatever you guys do don't do what a local building contractor here did. My contractor friend had a growing assortment of firearms and needed a safe. He bought one from a local dealer --the 40 inch wide model, and got his crew of slaves to help him bring it into his house one Saturday morning. it wouldn't fit the door. They, being builders, merely took out the door and casing and got it in. After putting the house back together, my friend decided to open the safe. The combination was stamped on a card attached to the door handle. He took it off, spun the dial, and lo and behold, the door opened! His next comment was "Geez! I can't be losing the combination number on this card!" He then proceeded to put the important card in the safe, and securely slammed the door shut. It took some calls to the manufacturer from his dealer , proof of the buyer's identity, and much other assorted paperwork before the duplicate combination would be revealed to my friend. He'll deny all of this to his dying day, but his crew still gets a kick out of it. Motive: Store the combination in a safe place, but not in your new gun safe--at least not until you memorize it.