calling winchester experts

[pokey]

what's up with the double base on this rear sight? where it dovetails into the barrel.
check pics 19 & 24
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =127525936

[HATCHETTJACK]

its a windage adjustment doohickey... notice the grooves in it(pic 24)

[2ndovc]

Interesting, but 2K for a 30-30?

Wow guess i should have kept some of those 94!

jb

[pokey]

its a windage adjustment doohickey... notice the grooves in it(pic 24)

i meant where it dovetails into the barrel.

[Mike D.]

That appears to be a Marble's series 60 sight, a type that was not an option on the 1894. Definitely an aftermarket application. Just another PG .30 WCF, nothing too special. His starting is more than the gun should ever bring, especially considering the busted grip cap, bad stock split and poor buttplate fit. A gun like that should top out at maybe $1200.

[71fan]

It's a dovetail adapter. The sight was made for a smaller dovetail, perhaps a Remington, so they needed an adapter to make it work on the Winny.

About value, I think the shorter than standard barrel, if it letters, would bump the value a bit from Mike D's estimate. Since the seller doesn't mention it, I doubt it's correct. It appears to be 23 to 24 inches. The tight fit of the wood to receiver is an intersting contrast to the butt plate not fitting well. Maybe they only refinished the butt area as part of a (failed) attempt to repair the crack.

Also, being "officially" antique will bump the value, as it can be legally transfered without paperwork.

If it letters as 24" PG crescent, I'd say $1,500'ish

[Rusty]

I don't think it's worth that kind of money but it was nice of him to post all those really nice pictures.

[Mike D.]

Actually, it is NOT an antique. The last serial number to leave New Haven in December of 1898 was 53941. Any number following would be dated 1899, but we know that the ATF accepts Madis's research for "antique" 1894s. When the latest information becomes common knowledge, many Winchesters previously considered pre-1899 will lose this "exalted" status. In light of this developement, a buyer of this gun will be sorely disappointed when a "factory letter" from Cody tells him that his gun is not truly an "antique" Model 1894, but a "mundane" modern one made a few months too late.

[71fan]

Yep. That's why I said "officially." I would venture to guess that most buyers don't know about the discrepency and still go off of Madis and the Feds.

[Mike D.]

Chad, did I miss something in the description? I don't see a shorter than 26" barrel on that gun, but I am going to have my eyes checked in a few minutes.

[71fan]

It's not in the description. I noticed in the picture the barrel proportion was a bit off, so I scaled it off and compared it to a 26-inch rifle. It came out to 23.1 inches, but with my rudementary technique it could easily be 24. Based on that I am fairly convinced it is shorter than 26.

If you want to check, just print out the pictures of this rifle, and find some of a 26-inch rifle, and compare the ratios of forearm:barrel and/or receiver:barrel. It gets a bit tough when you consider the shortened forend on some short rifles, so I usually also check the receiver:forend ratio.

My Cody membership expired, otherwise I'd call this one in just out of curiosity. I think you should do it