Advice needed on Bullet Mould
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Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Morning All,
I have a Marlin 1895 Cowboy 45/70 and I am seeking some advice on bullet moulds. I only shoot black powder out of my lever guns and at present I have a 430grn flat nosed bullet that I have been experimenting with in the Marlin; this bullet has 4 fairly narrow grease grooves and I think I need one with larger grease grooves to keep down the fouling in the rifle. Will be most grateful for any help from the members of this forum.
Cheers
I have a Marlin 1895 Cowboy 45/70 and I am seeking some advice on bullet moulds. I only shoot black powder out of my lever guns and at present I have a 430grn flat nosed bullet that I have been experimenting with in the Marlin; this bullet has 4 fairly narrow grease grooves and I think I need one with larger grease grooves to keep down the fouling in the rifle. Will be most grateful for any help from the members of this forum.
Cheers
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Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Hi Swagman, take a look at these bullets.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?Brand=Monta ... %20Swaging
I used a 485 grain .456 diameter bullet from them in my 71/84 Mauser but with a smokeless powder load using Blue Dot. They fouled like crazy for me with the BP lube, but the bullet did perform so well, that I had it copied for my Mauser uses at 1538 yards and still use the same bullet but better cast with modern smokeless lube by my friend Jim W. The Montana Precision Swaging bullets are specifically designed for BP shooting. Might be just the ticket you are looking for with your gun. I would also like to add, that the 500 grain, 458 round nose, 45-70 bullet, is probably one of the best, if not THE best, bullet ever designed for the 45-70 based upon the Sandy Hook tests of 1879. As posted by our own Ray here at Leverguns.com:
https://www.levergunscommunity.org/view ... hp?t=49892
Regards,
-Tutt
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?Brand=Monta ... %20Swaging
I used a 485 grain .456 diameter bullet from them in my 71/84 Mauser but with a smokeless powder load using Blue Dot. They fouled like crazy for me with the BP lube, but the bullet did perform so well, that I had it copied for my Mauser uses at 1538 yards and still use the same bullet but better cast with modern smokeless lube by my friend Jim W. The Montana Precision Swaging bullets are specifically designed for BP shooting. Might be just the ticket you are looking for with your gun. I would also like to add, that the 500 grain, 458 round nose, 45-70 bullet, is probably one of the best, if not THE best, bullet ever designed for the 45-70 based upon the Sandy Hook tests of 1879. As posted by our own Ray here at Leverguns.com:
https://www.levergunscommunity.org/view ... hp?t=49892
Regards,
-Tutt
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Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
I am not the best on the suggestions for 'hunting bullets' but I have shot mainly BP in my 45/70's.
I would suggest the Lyman 457193 bullet. It was described as... 457193. Is the regular .45-70-405 Marlin. The difference between it and the .45-70-405 Government is the flat point. (PB, 405 - TP is 191). Its grease grooves are not huge but enough when a good BP lube is used.
OR
Believe it or not -- I like the LEE 459-405-HB #90268 just for its huge grease grooves and its flat nose tapered profile. I size to 0.457 for a no bulge fit. It smoothly slides through lever actions. Not an expensive mold to try and experiment with, either.
I like staying with original designed weight and length bullet for no issue functions in lever actions where length and profile can affect operations.
I would suggest the Lyman 457193 bullet. It was described as... 457193. Is the regular .45-70-405 Marlin. The difference between it and the .45-70-405 Government is the flat point. (PB, 405 - TP is 191). Its grease grooves are not huge but enough when a good BP lube is used.
OR
Believe it or not -- I like the LEE 459-405-HB #90268 just for its huge grease grooves and its flat nose tapered profile. I size to 0.457 for a no bulge fit. It smoothly slides through lever actions. Not an expensive mold to try and experiment with, either.
I like staying with original designed weight and length bullet for no issue functions in lever actions where length and profile can affect operations.
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Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
This is the original .456 bullet from Montana Precision Swaging Cast Bullets. It it now available again. I'm grateful I had the harder bullet made for my purposes. But still very nice bullet design!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010753165?pid=611170
-Tutt
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010753165?pid=611170
-Tutt
"It ain't dead! As long as there's ONE COWBOY taking care of ONE COW, it ain't dead!!!" (the Cowboy Way)
-Monte Walsh (Selleck version)
"These battered wings still kick up dust." -Peter Gabriel
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"These battered wings still kick up dust." -Peter Gabriel
Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Thanks for the help Gents, I will have a look at your suggestions.
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Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Your leaving out pertinent information....whether you hunt, plink, target shoot, or whether you prefer short range or long range will make a big difference in bullet selection.
Like, who want to plink with a 500 grain bullet or who wants to use a 300 grain bullet for elk at 300 meters?
State your needs or do what I do....get em all....life is too short to "short" yourself.--006
Like, who want to plink with a 500 grain bullet or who wants to use a 300 grain bullet for elk at 300 meters?
State your needs or do what I do....get em all....life is too short to "short" yourself.--006
Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Thanks Sixgun, you are quite right. I mainly target shoot out to 200 metres and hope to take the 1895 CB hunting now and then as well.
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Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Ok Swagman dude.....I can't help you on the blackpowder design as I shoot smokeless at BP velocities or a bit above.....lot less aggravation.......I use a 375 grain bullet in my 45-70's and 45-90's......NEI design....I'll put up a pic later.....killed several elk with the 375 grainer
I've tried and used them all up to a 575 grains and in later life decided to simplify and stay with the 375 gr. sized .460.---006
I've tried and used them all up to a 575 grains and in later life decided to simplify and stay with the 375 gr. sized .460.---006
Re: Advice needed on Bullet Mould
Thanks for your help Sixgun!