Load data 358 Winchester

Wes · Post by **Wes** » Wed May 28, 2008 6:45 pm

Does anyone out there use RL15 for their 358 Win? Also wondered what everyones favorite loads were for the 358 Win.

RKrodle · Post by **RKrodle** » Wed May 28, 2008 6:54 pm

358win! now your taking my language

. I have a BLR in 358 and love it. I haven't used RL15 thou. I'm currently using 4198, I'm setting in a hotel right now so I don't have load data with me. I've been using the Hornady 200gr SP and have had good luck with it, next I want to work up a load with the 225gr Nosler Partition. There's several others on here, including Tycer, that also load for the 358 and will be able to better answer your question.

1886 · Post by **1886** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:00 pm

I do not load for a .358 but I appreciate the cartridge's virtues and think it is highly underrated. I would think that RL-15 might be just a little slow. The .358 has a higher expansion ratio and RL-15 might not be optimum. I agree that H-4895 might be a really good choice and H-4198 being slightly faster might shine as well. I am partial to the Hodgdon Extreme line of extruded powders do to their temp. insensitivity. Regards. 1886.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:00 pm

49 grains of 3031 behind a Rem 200 grain corelock was the last load I hunted with. WLR primer.

Ricky, what's the OAL of those I left with you in TX?

45 grains of Reloder7 shot well too.

RKrodle · Post by **RKrodle** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:03 pm

Tycer wrote:49 grains of 3031 behind a Rem 200 grain corelock was the last load I hunted with. WSPM primer.

Ricky, what's the OAL of those I left with you in TX?

Tycer, I'll try to remember to check when I get back home Friday.

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Wed May 28, 2008 8:15 pm

I have a BLR in 358 too. 49.5 grains of Varget (compressed) under a Hornady 200 grain spire point and CCI BR-2 primer works well. Varget is the only powder I have worked with that gives me exact duplicate FPS readings in a short string. I did find a reference in Hornady's #6 that RL15 was appropriate for the 250 grain bullets, but not the 200 grain. I could also see how IMR 3031 would work well and I will be trying some under a 225 grains Barnes because I run out of case capacity of the Varget before I run out of pressure. I think the 3031 will "fit" better with the very long Barnes bullet.

-Tutt

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:01 pm

You can always go to ball powder.

MtJerry · Post by **MtJerry** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:04 pm

44gr of 3031 gets me 2400fps with a Hornady 200gr SP.

DEVISTATING on big mule deer.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:22 pm

I shoot it's almost identical cousin the 356 Win., and it likes H4895 alot.(tried IMR 4350, IMR 4320, H322 before this and it likes the 4895 the best)

marlin shooter · Post by **marlin shooter** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:29 am

50.5 grain's of WW748 give's me 2360 FPS (average from 20"bbl BLR) with a hornady 200 grn bullet. Very accurate. I could get higher velocities with different powder's but all I'm doing is hunting deer with shot's under 100 yd's. Rel 15 is kinda slow. I've used h4895 and Imr 3031.
Karl

MtnGun · Post by **MtnGun** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:00 am

Wes,
I'll bet your going to use 250gr bullets when you hunt those heavy timber bulls, aren't you?

rk

Wes · Post by **Wes** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:49 am

Thats just what I'm thinking Mtngun. But I'm going to give the 200 and 225's a try just for fun. This little BLR will be my companion on packtrips hunting elk in the timber. Can't wait for fall now. Might even pack this while hunting moose.

JDL · Post by **JDL** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:14 am

Any powder with burning rates of 4198 on the fast side to 4320 on the slow end will work in the .358. I use mostly 4895, 4320, H-335, or BL-c2 in mine. For cast 200-225 grain bullets, 4895 has accuracy with velocity of around 2000 fps and is ample for whatever I want to use it on.
JDL

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:21 pm

I use the latest Nosler manual max with IMR 4895 and the 225 Nosler Partition for 2375 fps from my BLR-81 and it shoots 1 1/4 @ 100 yds. I also use IMR 4064 with Hornady 200 round nose to get the same velocity but superb accuracy. Both of those bullets really let the wind out of white tail deer.
Goat

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Thu May 29, 2008 7:48 pm

From Hodgdon's Data Reloading Center. It didn't cut and paste well, loads listed are starting load with Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure then same for max load. IMR 3031 is looking real good for both 200 and 225 grain bullets.

Cartridge: 358 Winchester
Load Type: Rifle
Starting Loads

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Maximum Loads

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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure

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180 GR. BAR X Hodgdon Varget .358" 2.700" 47.0 2442 42,500 CUP 51.0C 2594 48,200 CUP
180 GR. BAR X Hodgdon BL-C(2) .358" 2.700" 49.0 2450 42,600 CUP 52.0 2555 46,500 CUP
180 GR. BAR X Hodgdon H335 .358" 2.700" 44.0 2338 42,700 CUP 47.5 2504 48,900 CUP
180 GR. BAR X Hodgdon H4895 .358" 2.700" 44.0 2408 41,500 CUP 48.0C 2603 49,900 CUP
180 GR. BAR X Hodgdon Benchmark .358" 2.700" 43.0 2419 44,900 CUP 47.0 2574 50,300 CUP
180 GR. BAR X Hodgdon H322 .358" 2.700" 40.0 2380 46,900 CUP 44.0 2522 49,700 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Varget .358" 2.650" 47.0 2376 41,100 CUP 51.0C 2527 47,900 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4320 .358" 2.650" 51.0C 2545 51,700 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4064 .358" 2.650" 49.0C 2525 46,200 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Winchester 748 .358" 2.650" 50.6 2500 50,000 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .358" 2.650" 49.0 2329 31,500 CUP 52.0 2464 41,800 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 4895 .358" 2.650" 49.0C 2565 50,800 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H335 .358" 2.650" 44.0 2300 40,000 CUP 48.5 2484 48,400 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H4895 .358" 2.650" 44.0 2316 40,200 CUP 48.0C 2519 49,800 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP IMR IMR 3031 .358" 2.650" 49.0C 2630 51,800 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Benchmark .358" 2.650" 42.0 2319 42,700 CUP 46.2 2494 50,000 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H322 .358" 2.650" 40.0 2306 45,400 CUP 44.8 2491 49,400 CUP
200 GR. HDY SP IMR SR 4759 .358" 2.650" 29.5 2170 52,000 CUP
220 GR. SPR FN SP Hodgdon Varget .358" 2.560" 46.0 2226 42,800 CUP 50.0C 2445 50,300 CUP
220 GR. SPR FN SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .358" 2.560" 48.0 2238 37,600 CUP 51.0 2355 43,900 CUP
220 GR. SPR FN SP Hodgdon H335 .358" 2.560" 42.0 2181 42,200 CUP 46.0 2352 49,400 CUP
220 GR. SPR FN SP Hodgdon H4895 .358" 2.560" 43.0 2227 41,500 CUP 47.5C 2421 50,200 CUP
220 GR. SPR FN SP Hodgdon Benchmark .358" 2.560" 41.0 2184 39,400 CUP 45.0 2361 49,500 CUP
220 GR. SPR FN SP Hodgdon H322 .358" 2.560" 40.0 2243 45,700 CUP 44.0 2371 49,300 CUP
225 GR. SIE BTSP Hodgdon Varget .358" 2.770" 45.0 2254 40,700 CUP 49.0 2451 50,600 CUP
225 GR. SIE BTSP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .358" 2.770" 48.0 2324 39,900 CUP 51.0 2431 45,400 CUP
225 GR. SIE BTSP Hodgdon H335 .358" 2.770" 42.0 2231 43,500 CUP 46.0 2390 48,500 CUP
225 GR. SIE BTSP Hodgdon H4895 .358" 2.770" 42.0 2223 41,700 CUP 46.5 2422 50,300 CUP
225 GR. SIE BTSP Hodgdon Benchmark .358" 2.770" 40.0 2211 44,200 CUP 44.0 2354 50,600 CUP
225 GR. SIE BTSP Hodgdon H322 .358" 2.770" 41.0 2275 46,000 CUP 43.0 2372 50,300 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon Varget .358" 2.760" 43.0 2119 39,500 CUP 47.0C 2278 48,600 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4320 .358" 2.760" 44.5 2210 51,400 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4064 .358" 2.760" 44.0C 2270 52,000 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Winchester 748 .358" 2.760" 46.2 2250 50,500 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon BL-C(2) .358" 2.760" 44.0 2121 39,900 CUP 47.0 2240 47,200 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4895 .358" 2.760" 43.0 2235 51,200 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H335 .358" 2.760" 39.0 1987 39,200 CUP 43.0 2184 50,500 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H4895 .358" 2.760" 40.0 2057 40,400 CUP 44.5C 2257 50,500 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 3031 .358" 2.760" 42.0 2260 50,800 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon Benchmark .358" 2.760" 38.0 2030 39,800 CUP 42.0 2176 49,400 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H322 .358" 2.760" 38.0 2095 43,500 CUP 42.5 2260 49,900 CUP
250 GR. NOS PART IMR SR 4759 .358" 2.760" 26.0 1845 51,400 CUP

-Tutt

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:06 pm

BTW - Paco's favorite bullet for the 358 - the Lyman 3589 or 358009 is a current group buy on castboolits - in flat nose and in a 3 cavity.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=30840

JP_TX · Post by **JP_TX** » Fri May 30, 2008 12:12 am

Alliant says RL-7 for 200grainers.

358 Win
â€¢ Rem. 200PSP

OAL 2.78, bbl 24", Prmr, WLR, RL-7 38grains, 2420fps, 46,100cup.

I would think that this is a starter load with that cup pressure. but let your good sense be your guide.

I did see some very interesting loads just in the Lee reloading pamphlet that comes with the .358 dies. I plan to try some. But I think Hodgdon powders have the rocket in this case. You might want to visit their website before you buy too much powder.