Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
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Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
Hello,
I am posting in hopes for some insight and help. I decided to ditch the factory skinner sights and go with a tang mounted marble sight.
Here are my question:
1. From what i can the tang is already good to go and d&t for a sight. Please forgive my inexperience.. i usually keep sights stock.
2. I have no idea what type of screws to get.. I can't find any details on it. Should i just get a set of uberti / rossi / winchester
3. Can i still use the fiber front post
Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.
I am posting in hopes for some insight and help. I decided to ditch the factory skinner sights and go with a tang mounted marble sight.
Here are my question:
1. From what i can the tang is already good to go and d&t for a sight. Please forgive my inexperience.. i usually keep sights stock.
2. I have no idea what type of screws to get.. I can't find any details on it. Should i just get a set of uberti / rossi / winchester
3. Can i still use the fiber front post
Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
I'm sorry I can't answer your question, but I would like to know how you like your Chiappa? Does it function well? What caliber is it? I was thinking about getting an 86 but the reviews were mixed, so that is the reason for the inquiry. It looks like there's a good fit on the wood to the tangs.
Someone much more knowledgeable than I will help you I'm sure. Good shooting!!
Someone much more knowledgeable than I will help you I'm sure. Good shooting!!
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
Daisyman wrote:I'm sorry I can't answer your question, but I would like to know how you like your Chiappa? Does it function well? What caliber is it? I was thinking about getting an 86 but the reviews were mixed, so that is the reason for the inquiry. It looks like there's a good fit on the wood to the tangs.
Someone much more knowledgeable than I will help you I'm sure. Good shooting!!
i love it. Minus the Skinner (which i thought i would love.. but i prefer a buckhorn sight or a rear tang).
Its chambered in 44mag.
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
I have a japchester and don't know if it is metric or American but its much more coarse than real Winchster screw threads. If you know someone with a thread pitch gauge they should be able to tell you if it's metric or American threads. I'm guessing it has metric but don't know for sure. Nice looking rifle and you should be able to keep the fiber optic.
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
excellent thanks here is what i could find regarding the screw size:hondo1892 wrote:I have a japchester and don't know if it is metric or American but its much more coarse than real Winchster screw threads. If you know someone with a thread pitch gauge they should be able to tell you if it's metric or American threads. I'm guessing it has metric but don't know for sure. Nice looking rifle and you should be able to keep the fiber optic.
http://store.chiappafirearms.com/parts/ ... sight.html
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
Well bless your heart, thems are American threads. Look coarser than the originals, more like my new japchester.
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Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
You should be able to use a 10-32 for the front screw.
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Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
Thank you!Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:You should be able to use a 10-32 for the front screw.
I went with
Winchester 1892
Original screws (Screws Front 10-32x.342 Rear 12-28x1.9&10-36x.355") and the marble 1892 tang sight.
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It looks cold where you are... I imagine that slightly oversized lever works well with gloves! Good lookin' carbine.
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Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
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FWIW, your rifle can be set up with dual zeroes - the barrel-mounted open/iron sights for a relatively short range (say, 50-75yds), and the tang peep sight for a somewhat longer range (say, 125yds), by the simple expedient of installing a folding rear barrel open/iron sight (like the Lyman #16 or Marble's #95).
The dual setup is best utilized by folding the tanger & use the barrel sights for suddenly-presented.close/shots.
If a longer shot is presented, folding the rear bbl sight with the forward hand (for a clean sight picture through the tang peep sight)at the same time the shooter's other hand raises the tang sight, only takes a second or two (with practice).
If the dual zero setup is not for you, I would suggest buying ($7, +/-) or making (free, or $1 or $2, using the male dovetail portion of just about any old/take-off rear barrel longleaf open sight ) a dovetail slot filler blank for the factory rear sight barrel dovetail, to ensure a clean/clear tanger sight picture.
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FWIW, your rifle can be set up with dual zeroes - the barrel-mounted open/iron sights for a relatively short range (say, 50-75yds), and the tang peep sight for a somewhat longer range (say, 125yds), by the simple expedient of installing a folding rear barrel open/iron sight (like the Lyman #16 or Marble's #95).
The dual setup is best utilized by folding the tanger & use the barrel sights for suddenly-presented.close/shots.
If a longer shot is presented, folding the rear bbl sight with the forward hand (for a clean sight picture through the tang peep sight)at the same time the shooter's other hand raises the tang sight, only takes a second or two (with practice).
If the dual zero setup is not for you, I would suggest buying ($7, +/-) or making (free, or $1 or $2, using the male dovetail portion of just about any old/take-off rear barrel longleaf open sight ) a dovetail slot filler blank for the factory rear sight barrel dovetail, to ensure a clean/clear tanger sight picture.
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Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
I have a Armi Sport 1892 Takedown and it does indeed take the Winchester screw set.
It's fact that many people set their lever guns up for short and long range use by retaining the rear sight.
Depending on the caliber and load howeve it might not make much sense to do that. The .357 Mag and .44 Mag rifles and carbines when shot with a full power load are already flat shooting by lever gun standards. For example with my .357 Mag zeroed at 170 yards it's only 4" high at the maximum mid range trajectory at 100 yards and it's only 4" low at 200 yards. That's a 200 yard point blank range where the bullet is never more than 4" above or below the line of sight.
If I zero it instead for 100 yards, the maximum mid range trajectory is just under an inch high at 55 yards and it's only 2" low at 130 yards.
In other words, setting it up for a short range sight and long range sight is pointless unless I'm defining long range as over 150 yards where a mid range trajectory of 2.5 -3" at 50 yards might be objectionable.
But frankly I've never found that to be the case. With a 170 yard zero, I'm an inch high at 25 yards, 2 3/4" high at 50 yards and 4" high at 100 yards. Those all work pretty well as you're holding under by easy to estimate amounts and your are not obscuring the target under the front blade. And at 100 yards it means a 6 0'clock hold on the standard 8" small bore 100 yd rifle target is perfect.
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Where setting it up for long and short range sights makes some sense is with low power loads in the 1000 fps range, where the trajectory starts to be curved enough that separate 50 yard and 100 or 150 yard sights start to make sense.
The other issue that pops up here is the potential interference between the barrel mounted sight and the tang sight, which is where a fold down rear sight comes into the picture. With flat trajectories and not much difference in the sight lines, the barrel mounted sight can still get in the way.
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The other approach of course is to just make the adjustments on the tang sight if you want to change from short to long range zeros or low to high velocity loads. Just establish your basic zero, by establishing it, then counting the number of clocks up from the bottom, so you can re-establish it. The rest is just a process of adjusting the sight to the other desired zeros and then writing down the changes needed from your basic zero on a reference card. The Marbles sight will give you from .48 or .55 MOA of adjustment with each click with 24" and 20" barrels respectively - or basically 1/4" at 50 yards, 1/2" at 100 yards and 1" at 200 yards.
It's fact that many people set their lever guns up for short and long range use by retaining the rear sight.
Depending on the caliber and load howeve it might not make much sense to do that. The .357 Mag and .44 Mag rifles and carbines when shot with a full power load are already flat shooting by lever gun standards. For example with my .357 Mag zeroed at 170 yards it's only 4" high at the maximum mid range trajectory at 100 yards and it's only 4" low at 200 yards. That's a 200 yard point blank range where the bullet is never more than 4" above or below the line of sight.
If I zero it instead for 100 yards, the maximum mid range trajectory is just under an inch high at 55 yards and it's only 2" low at 130 yards.
In other words, setting it up for a short range sight and long range sight is pointless unless I'm defining long range as over 150 yards where a mid range trajectory of 2.5 -3" at 50 yards might be objectionable.
But frankly I've never found that to be the case. With a 170 yard zero, I'm an inch high at 25 yards, 2 3/4" high at 50 yards and 4" high at 100 yards. Those all work pretty well as you're holding under by easy to estimate amounts and your are not obscuring the target under the front blade. And at 100 yards it means a 6 0'clock hold on the standard 8" small bore 100 yd rifle target is perfect.
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Where setting it up for long and short range sights makes some sense is with low power loads in the 1000 fps range, where the trajectory starts to be curved enough that separate 50 yard and 100 or 150 yard sights start to make sense.
The other issue that pops up here is the potential interference between the barrel mounted sight and the tang sight, which is where a fold down rear sight comes into the picture. With flat trajectories and not much difference in the sight lines, the barrel mounted sight can still get in the way.
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The other approach of course is to just make the adjustments on the tang sight if you want to change from short to long range zeros or low to high velocity loads. Just establish your basic zero, by establishing it, then counting the number of clocks up from the bottom, so you can re-establish it. The rest is just a process of adjusting the sight to the other desired zeros and then writing down the changes needed from your basic zero on a reference card. The Marbles sight will give you from .48 or .55 MOA of adjustment with each click with 24" and 20" barrels respectively - or basically 1/4" at 50 yards, 1/2" at 100 yards and 1" at 200 yards.
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
Hi there, did you find a Marbles for your Chiappa?
I have an Alaskan and I'm wondering about a similar idea as I'd prefer a peep sight closer to my eye
I have an Alaskan and I'm wondering about a similar idea as I'd prefer a peep sight closer to my eye
Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
Marbles has screw sets to go with their sights. Their website lists a set for the Uberti 92 which I would assume would work as well with the Chiappa -- but it wouldn't hurt to check with them to be sure.
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What Pigsah said +1.
I have the Marbles tang peep and folding barrel sight on my Miroku made Winchester 1886 and it is a good combo for me.
I have the Marbles tang peep and folding barrel sight on my Miroku made Winchester 1886 and it is a good combo for me.
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Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
I have the luxury of living within a couple hours of Buffalo Arms in Sand Point Idaho. I took a couple of Braztech/Taurus 92s up there, and bought two Marbles Tangers from them. They checked the screw sizes while I waited, and also fitted Hadley eye cups to them. Also bought a Hadley for my Shilo Hartford 45-70. A phone call would have worked, but not near as much fun : call 'em and order their catalog.
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Re: Chiappa 1892 Trapper Carbine - Marble peep sight help
I have an original 1892 rifle and Marbles the aperture is much smaller OD. I really found it great for hunting when I was young with good eyes.
Did a hunting style aperture come with it?
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Did a hunting style aperture come with it?
I bought a replacement from these folks and am very happy with it if you are interested.
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