38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
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38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
I've been offered a Legendary Frontiersmen .38-55 at a good price.
Here in Australia, they were never as popular as the .30-30 but I am really keen.
I did some reading and came away rather confused about cast bullet sizes, case thicknesses etc.
Seems there is some variation and opinions vary from .379"- .380"....(Yes, I Will slug the bore)
....then I read that Starline brass must be used with bigger bullets because it's thinner in the walls.... and so it goes.
Any experienced advice would really be helpful
Regards...Rick
Here in Australia, they were never as popular as the .30-30 but I am really keen.
I did some reading and came away rather confused about cast bullet sizes, case thicknesses etc.
Seems there is some variation and opinions vary from .379"- .380"....(Yes, I Will slug the bore)
....then I read that Starline brass must be used with bigger bullets because it's thinner in the walls.... and so it goes.
Any experienced advice would really be helpful
Regards...Rick
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
My understanding is that the modern Winchesters used a .376-.377 groove diameter in their post '64 actions,including the commemoratives; it's the early "original" leverguns that have wide variances in groove diameters. But, I could be all wet.
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
Seems to me that slugging the bore and the chamber would be a good first step. I don't know enough about the 38-55 to be of any other help.
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
It's a classic caliber capable of great accuracy and reasonable power on game. Some years ago, I bought Corbin swaging equipment specifically to swage .379 jacketed bullets to match the bore and groove of a Marlin Cowboy in this chambering, and got wonderful results. Sold off the gear a while later. I have heard that the Winchester barrels are indeed much tighter.
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
I bought mine used but in excellent condition. It was owned by a well known local gun nut who dad passed.
I size my cast bullets to .381 using a shop made push through sizing die. Loaded in unmodified Star Line brass they chamber
Easily and shoot very accuratly. It is possible that the previous owner had opened up the chamber to accept that combination. I have not taken a chamber cast to find out and don't plan to.
Slug the bore and size your bullets accordingly. If your brass needs thinned to chamber then that is what you will have to do to get maximum accuracy from that rifle. Have fun!
I size my cast bullets to .381 using a shop made push through sizing die. Loaded in unmodified Star Line brass they chamber
Easily and shoot very accuratly. It is possible that the previous owner had opened up the chamber to accept that combination. I have not taken a chamber cast to find out and don't plan to.
Slug the bore and size your bullets accordingly. If your brass needs thinned to chamber then that is what you will have to do to get maximum accuracy from that rifle. Have fun!
Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
My third year of production 1894 rifle with a 26" tapered octagonal barrel has a slugged bore of .379. The bore is dark but still shows decent rifling. I get 4" groups at 100 yards on a good day.
Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
I think its still not possible to make a definitive statement on what Winchester groove diameters are. The Chief Crazy Horse used in the tests in The Winchester Lever Legacy book slugged at .3755 I believe, if not .3745. The Saskatchewan Centennial barrel I have is .380-.381" groove diameter. One I had before this one was right on .375", but unfortunately sent it back because it had rust freckles on the outside. Wish I had it now.
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
Thank you all for the input. Your comment Griff gave me confidence that there may be a baseline...
The seller has offered cases & dies with the rifle, so I figured I'd start with the LEE .379"mold and go from there,
but the fact remains that I will have to "Slug it & see".
The seller has offered cases & dies with the rifle, so I figured I'd start with the LEE .379"mold and go from there,
but the fact remains that I will have to "Slug it & see".
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
Since I was an early teenager I have wanted a Winchester 94 in 38-55. About three years ago I talked my son into sending his 94 30-30 to Jes reboreing in Oregon. It was not hard to do because he grew up hearing me talk about the 38-55. When it came back I fire formed several 30-30 cases with a little Unique and a little piece of paper towel to old the powder in. A friend brought me some .379 bullets from Missouri Bullet Co. They were 245 grain #1 Ballard bullets, and a bunch of Trail Boss powder. he said that load was very accurate in his old Winchester. I put a Williams Foolproof sight on the rifle and went to the range to sight it in. At 50 yards the first shot was about 4 inches low raised it up some, the second shot was that high so I split the difference an the third and fourth shot touched in the 10 ring. I kept the rifle for the next deer season and killed a big doe with hunting load of Unique and a 255grain hard cast bullet. I THINK YOU REALLY NEED THAT RIFLE !!!!!
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Re: 38-55 LF - Pros & Cons
The 38-55 is my favorite "medium action" cartridge.
I have three 94 26" octagon rifles. One has a number under 3400.
I also have two half magazine SRC's.
If you take the time to find out just where you're at with the throat and groove diameter, and have a least a fair bore thats good at the crown, the 38-55 is capable of good accuracy. Just takes some experimenting.
It was, after all, a popular schutzen and target round back in the day.
I have three 94 26" octagon rifles. One has a number under 3400.
I also have two half magazine SRC's.
If you take the time to find out just where you're at with the throat and groove diameter, and have a least a fair bore thats good at the crown, the 38-55 is capable of good accuracy. Just takes some experimenting.
It was, after all, a popular schutzen and target round back in the day.
"Oh bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.