Is this legit...???
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- AJMD429
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Is this legit...???
This 1Lt Clint Lorance is in prison for having his unit marksmen target individuals the 'authorities' didn't think were for-sure Taliban people.
https://www.presidentialpardonpetition.com/trump105/
https://www.presidentialpardonpetition.com/trump105/
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"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
Re: Is this legit...???
I sure hope so. I just signed the petition.
Re: Is this legit...???
I'll do considerable more research before I decide whether to sign or not. So far, what I find is some pretty damning evidence against him, and some pretty thin argument in his favor.
- GunnyMack
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Re: Is this legit...???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Lorance
Seems this happened 3 years ago... But I too signed it in support of our boys in uniform!
Seems this happened 3 years ago... But I too signed it in support of our boys in uniform!
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Re: Is this legit...???
I have looked up what I could find. I filtered what I read through my own personal experiences, and I believe he was unjustly convicted. Having been in the Army and not really fitting in with the good ol' boy network, I read a lot into the comments from the soldiers who testified against him. He was new, he didn't hang out with them, he didn't drink with them, he was there to do his job, and the men appeared to me to resent that as only an enlisted man who thinks of it as a way to keep from doing any real work can. I was around some top notch soldiers, and I was around some whom I would not hire to keep a chair seat occupied. The ones who couldn't even keep a chair seat occupied where more likely to be promoted than the good ones were. Zynulene Davidson, an E6, Gary V. Phillips, an E7, and Willie T. Williams, an E9, were the best Sergeants I ever knew. They were stand up honorable men who were real leaders and deserved to be promoted. There were a whole bunch of Sergeants and below whom I wouldn't even acknowledge if I met them on the street today. 1LT Brian Haebig, 1LT Bartholomew U. Shreve, and 1LT Kevin J. Woods were some great officers whom I served under. I really think those 3 would have done it the same way as 1LT Lorance did. Lt. Col.(now a General) Mitchell Zais, and Major General Edwin Burba were two more Officers I served under. Both of them wanted to keep us alive and able to do our jobs to the highest of military standards. My opinion is that they would have made the same call.
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- AJMD429
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Re: Is this legit...???
Unfortunately a "war zone" is a dangerous place; sad we hold our soldiers to the standard we'd hold a cop in the US to.
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"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
Re: Is this legit...???
Here's an article that should be considered...
http://taskandpurpose.com/think-lt-clin ... -murderer/
http://taskandpurpose.com/think-lt-clin ... -murderer/
- marlinman93
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Have to join the sight to be able to read the article. I don't need more spam emails.Pisgah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:33 am Here's an article that should be considered...
http://taskandpurpose.com/think-lt-clin ... -murderer/
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Re: Is this legit...???
I didn't have to join. I just closed the login box and was able to read the article.
marlinman93 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:36 amHave to join the sight to be able to read the article. I don't need more spam emails.Pisgah wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:33 am Here's an article that should be considered...
http://taskandpurpose.com/think-lt-clin ... -murderer/
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Re: Is this legit...???
I think he is guilty. Not signing it.
- marlinman93
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Re: Is this legit...???
Thanks. Went back and the pop up to join or sign in didn't come up. After spending an hour on the internet looking at everything written about the case, I'm unsure how innocent the Lieutenant is. Sure seems to have made some very bad decisions, and not based on fearing for his safety, or his troops safety. Considering there was a grape field between them, and they were 200 yds. away, I'm not surprised the motorcycle didn't stop. I'd be surprised if they could even hear anyone shouting to stop.
Seems like a very bad decision on his part, and although I always error towards supporting our troops, I can't see any evidence that he was wrongfully convicted.
Seems like a very bad decision on his part, and although I always error towards supporting our troops, I can't see any evidence that he was wrongfully convicted.
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Re: Is this legit...???
They need to pardon William Calley first.
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"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
Re: Is this legit...???
I am not a fellow who believes that killing the enemy in a war-zone should be a crime.
However, there was a young Marine who killed an entire family just so that he could rape and murder the 14-year old daughter. THAT is a crime.
If that poor, innocent civilian was inside a defensive perimeter and not obeying the instructions of the military authority... He was the enemy.
The distinction doesn't seem, in my mind, to be a matter of degrees.
Black/White.
However, there was a young Marine who killed an entire family just so that he could rape and murder the 14-year old daughter. THAT is a crime.
If that poor, innocent civilian was inside a defensive perimeter and not obeying the instructions of the military authority... He was the enemy.
The distinction doesn't seem, in my mind, to be a matter of degrees.
Black/White.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.