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Having said that, I'm tempted to go buy, or assemble a .308 EBR just because our idiot Muslim in Chief doesn't want me to have one.
I appreciate the offer. I'd probably go with a .308 if I jump on a semi-auto.....Sixgun wrote:Blaine,
For the most part, brand name EBR's can be purchased relatively cheap. Bushmasters can be had for 6.....even the company who has been making them since the (Colt) early sixties can be had for under 8. The best "meat and potatoes" AR is the Colt 6920 and these babies will run till the cows come home.......I married the dairy farmers daughter....when cows make a break through the fence, they don't come home........
No brag, but my bud at Targetmaster takes care of me. I forgot the amount of times he gave me a case of 500 rounds and said, "go have fun". I'd burn through a case on a Sunday afternoon at my club (Atglen) and not caring about money or the gun, I'd smoke that 6920 red hot blasting clay birds on the bank from 2-500 meters......it always ran. Maybe when the gun was new there have been an extremely small amount of times when a stovepipe or something other happened. The times this happened was so small I don't even remember the specifics.
There were a dozen times that Tom and I would go to his place upstate and burn through several thousand rounds in his Colt machine guns.....I even shot a half of thou of my hand loads through his M-4 enhanced......semi...3 rd. burst...full auto and I do not remember ANY malfunctions.
If your looking to buy one, the Colt 6920 is the best bang for the buck with Bushmaster a close second. If interested, drop me a line and I'll steer ya right.----6
I think its not unusual to have the very well worn GI range guns malfunction. I think that many in the .mil system seem to think that using a magazine until it falls apart is gospel somehow. The nguy that runs Battlefield Las Vegas that rents full auto guns has said that theyve gotten 200K rounds through the basic receivers of some of their rental guns. The small bits do need attention now and then, as all guns do.BlaineG wrote: Without fail, in the course of dozens of rounds or so, I'd get at least one FTF, or cycling jam. I always sort of wondered about a design that included a forward assist because the makers assumed they would jam at some time...
anyhow, I'm done except for finding a big bore upper for one of the kit guns. maybe trade a 300 towards one for the bear woods.Grizz wrote:Costs are rocketing up.
http://www.surplusammo.com/saa-kit-5-56 ... -receiver/
I paid $360 delivered for this kit last October, 392$ with tax.
I'd say the time to buy is bye.
I bought my 50 Beowulf as an intact upper, so not 'homemade', but it works flawlessly (nearly all factory ammo so far).Grizz wrote:Grizz wrote:anyhow, I'm done except for finding a big bore upper for one of the kit guns. maybe trade a 300 towards one for the bear woods.
I can't think of a better reason than that!BlaineG wrote:Having said that, I'm tempted to go buy, or assemble a .308 EBR just because our idiot Muslim in Chief doesn't want me to have one.
thanks DocAJMD429 wrote:I bought my 50 Beowulf as an intact upper, so not 'homemade', but it works flawlessly (nearly all factory ammo so far).Grizz wrote:Grizz wrote:anyhow, I'm done except for finding a big bore upper for one of the kit guns. maybe trade a 300 towards one for the bear woods.
Between the 223, 50 Beowulf, 338 Lapua, and 300 Blackout, there is not much an "AR" can't be set up to do.
I wound up selecting the Beowulf 'just because', but since then have aquired a BHA model 89 levergun in 500 S&W, so now have two ways to use 0.500" bullets at similar power levels. My Guide Gun is my only 0.458" bullet-spitter, so I will keep it for lighter loads and different bullet types.fordwannabe wrote:My big bore upper is in 458. I also have 3 45-70s so bullets for one can be used for all. I picked up a 405 grain mold and a 340 grain so I am hoping to be able to use one of those. Also bought a sample of Berry's bullets in 458 350 grain. Time to experiment is the problem at this point. Tom
BlaineG wrote:For you guys (Grizz?) that assemble your own, and shoot them a lot, are they 100% reliable in cycling? I've never owned an EBR, but shot many different ones during the course of a 20 year military stint. They were all fired at the range, or training, and never subjected to the rigors and dirt of a combat situation. Without fail, in the course of dozens of rounds or so, I'd get at least one FTF, or cycling jam. I always sort of wondered about a design that included a forward assist because the makers assumed they would jam at some time... My levers are not 100 percent cyclers. My civilian-type semi-autos are not 100%. The only weapons that have ran, and cycled perfectly all the time are bolt actions. Ergo, my "EBR" is a Ruger Scout in 308.
Having said that, I'm tempted to go buy, or assemble a .308 EBR just because our idiot Muslim in Chief doesn't want me to have one.
Grizz I had the same problem with my 300. Malamute suggested it was possibly due to a short throat, I'm inclined to think he's right. the ammo was the Rem 120 gr loaded by Barnes that Walmart carries. I have since put a 5.56 barrel on it.Grizz wrote:I don't shoot them a lot. Frank will have good info.
The only failure I had involved popped primers from a 300 AAC, which I 'think' is ammo related. I have two .300 uppers and have not been able to replicate the problem, so I can't isolate it to one upper.
I would seriously question that my friend.Grizz wrote:And the 125s are lethal to 500M, so it's not a complete dog.
how 'bout 300M ?sore shoulder wrote:I would seriously question that my friend.Grizz wrote:And the 125s are lethal to 500M, so it's not a complete dog.
Here is a vid on the 77gr otm.Grizz wrote:how 'bout 300M ?sore shoulder wrote:I would seriously question that my friend.Grizz wrote:And the 125s are lethal to 500M, so it's not a complete dog.
I don't recall mentioning any 300 ballistics, other than commenting on the trajectory at 300M. I looked at the article, the only 124 I saw was the Sig and it didnt even make 2000fps.horsesoldier03 wrote:I prefer the 5.56 over the 300 BLK as well. However your ballistics are a little low. Supersonic velocities are close to 2200 for the 110 and 125 grains.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ultim ... ammo-test/
My apologies then, I interpreted the comment above as meaning 1600 fps as the max for a 300 blk.sore shoulder wrote:Grizz wrote:sore shoulder wrote:It beats the snot out of the 300blk in any barrel length both in trajectory and power. the BLK at 300 is a mortar from any barrel length. (btw max for a 300 is 16, after that it slows down).Grizz wrote:And the 125s are lethal to 500M, so it's not a complete dog.
totally 100% agree with this. the logistics are all in favor of 556.from a logistical and tactical sense it has no advantage over a 5.56.
I would suggest the 5.56 can do most of those.Bulldog wrote:There is no point in comparing the 300 BLK to the 5.56. It was never intended to be a competing round, but to offer options the 5.56 simply couldn't. It creates an optimal platform for suppressed fire with subsonic ammo, provides the ability to penetrate barriers with heavy projectiles, and can duplicate 7.62x39 ballistics with supersonic ammo. In my opinion, it accomplishes these things very well.
In my vast combat (fighting possums in the chicken pen) and tactical (camo looks cool with my long hair and beard) experience, my impression is:Bulldog wrote:There is no comparison when shooting subsonic ammo suppressed. I'm not saying the 300 is better or worse than the 5.56. They serve different purposes, and can't be compared apples to apples.
I wouldn't ever be without at least one 223/5.56, currently have 3. That doesn't mean there isn't room for something different in the 300 Blackout too. I don't discriminate, I like them all.AJMD429 wrote:[. So going "all in" for only 223 or only 300 might make sense for an individual or family, but then again going without 223 might not be sensible. Maybe a family or group could equip with 300 Blackout and 308 only, but most of us really have 223 as one of our 'core' cartridges, for better or worse.
For me, I have found the 'niche' for 300 Blk is my AR 'pistol', and my Encore 16" rifle. That keeps magazines and ammo separate from the 'regular' 223 ones.Bulldog wrote:I wouldn't ever be without at least one 223/5.56, currently have 3. That doesn't mean there isn't room for something different in the 300 Blackout too. I don't discriminate, I like them all.AJMD429 wrote:[. So going "all in" for only 223 or only 300 might make sense for an individual or family, but then again going without 223 might not be sensible. Maybe a family or group could equip with 300 Blackout and 308 only, but most of us really have 223 as one of our 'core' cartridges, for better or worse.