No more Facebook firearms sales
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No more Facebook firearms sales
This is a darn shame.
SAN FRANCISCO – Facebook says it's cracking down on online gun sales, announcing Friday a new policy barring private individuals from advertising or selling firearms on the world's largest social network.
The new policy applies also to Facebook's photo-sharing service Instagram. It comes after gun control groups have long complained that Facebook and other online sites are frequently used by unlicensed sellers and buyers not legally eligible to buy firearms.
Facebook "was unfortunately and unwittingly serving as an online platform for dangerous people to get guns," said Shannon Watts of Everytown for Gun Safety, a group that launched a public campaign to convince the social network to change its policies two years ago.
Watts said her group has found numerous cases of felons and minors who were able to buy guns on the site, including two cases in which the buyers used the guns to slay others. Representatives of two gun-owner rights groups, including the National Rifle Association, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Facebook had announced some restrictions on gun sales and advertising in 2014, saying it would block minors from seeing posts that advertised guns. But the social network did not ban private sales at that time.
Licensed firearms retailers can still promote their businesses on Facebook, but they aren't allowed to accept orders or make sales on the site.
A Facebook Inc. spokeswoman said the new policy arose from the company's review of its rules following its recent efforts to encourage new forms of commerce on the site. Facebook expanded its digital payments service last summer, allowing users of its Messenger service to send electronic payments to other individual users.
"Over the last two years, more and more people have been using Facebook to discover products and to buy and sell things to one another," Monika Bickert, who oversees Facebook product policies, said in a statement. "We are continuing to develop, test, and launch new products to make this experience even better for people and are updating our regulated goods policies to reflect this evolution."
Watts, however, said her group had urged Facebook to take stiffer measures, during a series of low-key contacts.
"They were very, very open to our thoughts on policy and to the research we have been compiling," Watts said. "I think they definitely saw this was an issue, but an incredibly complicated issue. I think that's why it's taken two years."
Facebook, which is based in Menlo Park, California, cited the need to balance free expression with public safety when it announced the 2014 policy change in a blog post. At the time, some gun-control advocates complained Facebook didn't go further, while news reports quoted a spokesman for the National Rifle Association who declared victory over what he called a campaign to stifle constitutionally protected speech.
Everytown for Gun Safety was formed by the merger of a group started by Watts and another formed by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
A spokesman for a different group, the Brady Campaign and Center to Prevent Gun Violence, praised Facebook's move in a statement Friday.
"It is simply too easy for virtually anyone to buy any gun they want online without a Brady background check," said the group's president, Dan Gross. "Facebook just took an important step in addressing that challenge and we call on others to follow suit."
SAN FRANCISCO – Facebook says it's cracking down on online gun sales, announcing Friday a new policy barring private individuals from advertising or selling firearms on the world's largest social network.
The new policy applies also to Facebook's photo-sharing service Instagram. It comes after gun control groups have long complained that Facebook and other online sites are frequently used by unlicensed sellers and buyers not legally eligible to buy firearms.
Facebook "was unfortunately and unwittingly serving as an online platform for dangerous people to get guns," said Shannon Watts of Everytown for Gun Safety, a group that launched a public campaign to convince the social network to change its policies two years ago.
Watts said her group has found numerous cases of felons and minors who were able to buy guns on the site, including two cases in which the buyers used the guns to slay others. Representatives of two gun-owner rights groups, including the National Rifle Association, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Facebook had announced some restrictions on gun sales and advertising in 2014, saying it would block minors from seeing posts that advertised guns. But the social network did not ban private sales at that time.
Licensed firearms retailers can still promote their businesses on Facebook, but they aren't allowed to accept orders or make sales on the site.
A Facebook Inc. spokeswoman said the new policy arose from the company's review of its rules following its recent efforts to encourage new forms of commerce on the site. Facebook expanded its digital payments service last summer, allowing users of its Messenger service to send electronic payments to other individual users.
"Over the last two years, more and more people have been using Facebook to discover products and to buy and sell things to one another," Monika Bickert, who oversees Facebook product policies, said in a statement. "We are continuing to develop, test, and launch new products to make this experience even better for people and are updating our regulated goods policies to reflect this evolution."
Watts, however, said her group had urged Facebook to take stiffer measures, during a series of low-key contacts.
"They were very, very open to our thoughts on policy and to the research we have been compiling," Watts said. "I think they definitely saw this was an issue, but an incredibly complicated issue. I think that's why it's taken two years."
Facebook, which is based in Menlo Park, California, cited the need to balance free expression with public safety when it announced the 2014 policy change in a blog post. At the time, some gun-control advocates complained Facebook didn't go further, while news reports quoted a spokesman for the National Rifle Association who declared victory over what he called a campaign to stifle constitutionally protected speech.
Everytown for Gun Safety was formed by the merger of a group started by Watts and another formed by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
A spokesman for a different group, the Brady Campaign and Center to Prevent Gun Violence, praised Facebook's move in a statement Friday.
"It is simply too easy for virtually anyone to buy any gun they want online without a Brady background check," said the group's president, Dan Gross. "Facebook just took an important step in addressing that challenge and we call on others to follow suit."
Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
Yep, most criminals get their armament off the internet...
Mike
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
I feel much safer now; I think I'll start leaving my doors unlocked at night, and sell my CCW gun so I can buy a parrot.
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I guess some people can justify ANY lie they tell, if it supports what they believe to be "the greater good."
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There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
If the gun control group doing the research were really concerned about public safety they would turn their research over to the appropriate authorities for action. They claim to have documented illegal sales, they should put that documentation in the hands of law enforcement. There are laws that govern this stuff if the BATF could just be bothered to enforce them - same as the supposed debate of straw purchasing.
They are not interested in the rule of law however, they never have been. They are interested in infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights by any means they can find.
On the other hand, Facebook is a company, not a government entity. If they want to restrict content they have every right to do. Their customers can always vote with their feet if they don't like the policy - Since I don't think much of Facebook anyway, that is what I would encourage users to do.
They are not interested in the rule of law however, they never have been. They are interested in infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights by any means they can find.
On the other hand, Facebook is a company, not a government entity. If they want to restrict content they have every right to do. Their customers can always vote with their feet if they don't like the policy - Since I don't think much of Facebook anyway, that is what I would encourage users to do.
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I agree with you.92&94 wrote:If the gun control group doing the research were really concerned about public safety they would turn their research over to the appropriate authorities for action. They claim to have documented illegal sales, they should put that documentation in the hands of law enforcement. There are laws that govern this stuff if the BATF could just be bothered to enforce them - same as the supposed debate of straw purchasing.
They are not interested in the rule of law however, they never have been. They are interested in infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights by any means they can find.
On the other hand, Facebook is a company, not a government entity. If they want to restrict content they have every right to do. Their customers can always vote with their feet if they don't like the policy - Since I don't think much of Facebook anyway, that is what I would encourage users to do.
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
I don't do Book Face so had no idea they sold guns. Probably where Billy the Kid got his??
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They are too busy measuring barrel length, worrying about Contender 410/45 barrels, finding retired guys selling their collections, and tracking who buys suppressors, to go after violent criminals or illegal arms dealers.92&94 wrote:There are laws that govern this stuff if the BATF could just be bothered to enforce them - same as the supposed debate of straw purchasing.
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
But... Zuckerberg is a billionaire... that means he's smarter than everyone else, doesn't it?
I mean, that's all that Trump has going for him as far as qualification, but everyone seems to think that he's brilliant.
I mean, that's all that Trump has going for him as far as qualification, but everyone seems to think that he's brilliant.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
New add for FB
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harry wrote:New add for FB
Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
"first do no harm" - gun control LAWS lead to far more deaths than 'easy access' ever could.
Want REAL change? . . . . . "Boortz/Nugent in 2012 . . . ! "
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
So i can no longer entertain offers of Hi-Point .40's and Mossberg shotguns for $75 over what i can buy them at a local sporting goods store?
And that i should be sensible enough to pay catalog prices for an Uncle Mikes holster and an extra chinese made magazine and a partial box of Tula ammo from Wal Mart ?
Good riddance
And that i should be sensible enough to pay catalog prices for an Uncle Mikes holster and an extra chinese made magazine and a partial box of Tula ammo from Wal Mart ?
Good riddance
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
There is a gun friendly social media called gundistrict.com. I just registered a few minutes ago. I'm not sure where it will go if anywhere.
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So... Supporting and developing an underground F2F gun market is better for everyone than just having an OPEN F2F gun market...
Amazing market and political comprehension there by Herr Zuckmeister ...
Amazing market and political comprehension there by Herr Zuckmeister ...
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
You laugh, I've seen a number already such!harry wrote:New add for FB
"Any man who covers his face and packs a gun is a legitimate target for any decent citizen"
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
harry wrote:New add for FB
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AJMD429 wrote:They are too busy measuring barrel length, worrying about Contender 410/45 barrels, finding retired guys selling their collections, and tracking who buys suppressors, to go after violent criminals or illegal arms dealers.92&94 wrote:There are laws that govern this stuff if the BATF could just be bothered to enforce them - same as the supposed debate of straw purchasing.
All that stuff's a lot safer to do, than going after BG's.
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The BATFE should not be permitted to exist.92&94 wrote:If the gun control group doing the research were really concerned about public safety they would turn their research over to the appropriate authorities for action. They claim to have documented illegal sales, they should put that documentation in the hands of law enforcement. There are laws that govern this stuff if the BATF could just be bothered to enforce them - same as the supposed debate of straw purchasing.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
They are completely anti gun. The NFA (one of our groups) is not longer allowed on. But as per facecrack policy, terrorism, and death threats are still
kosher. Wait! Is kosher still allowed?? So confusing with Zuckerberg and the all the anti-semitic types that are allowed to spew stuff.
There are reasons I will never be on there.
kosher. Wait! Is kosher still allowed?? So confusing with Zuckerberg and the all the anti-semitic types that are allowed to spew stuff.
There are reasons I will never be on there.
Profanity is a poor substitute for a proper education.
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
The gun trader pages that I am on through facebook all still work.
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Re: No more Facebook firearms sales
A "parrot"? You're killing me. Was that just a random neuron firing off within that complex brain of yours or is that a reference to some new pop culture fad that I'm blissfully unaware of?AJMD429 wrote:I feel much safer now; I think I'll start leaving my doors unlocked at night, and sell my CCW gun so I can buy a parrot.
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