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Yes. Just stay quiet Christians...bow your heads, don't look anyone in the eye, take a good thumping and don't forget to ask for more!Charles wrote:Christians would be better off puting the energy and emotion they muster against Orah and her ilk, into the perfection and practice of their own faith.
Ah Charles, have you forgotten that Scripture is also given to rebuke sin?Charles wrote:Christians would be better off puting the energy and emotion they muster against Orah and her ilk, into the perfection and practice of their own faith.
I don't think it damages Scripture to rebuke and correct sinners, does it?2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
You should also remember that in James 4:17 it says that he who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it sins. The good we ought to do is expose this to fellow believers. People like her like to hide in plain sight, but can't stand up to scrutiny.Charles wrote:Christians would be better off puting the energy and emotion they muster against Orah and her ilk, into the perfection and practice of their own faith.
ursavus.elemensis wrote:It is sad on many levels, not the least of which is that so many people think a wealth-flaunting talk show host is somehow a leader who can provide essentail wisdom to guide their lives. People really need to get out more, experience nature, be more in touch with this world that He has given us, and stop thinking that "the way and the truth" comes in daily hourly installments from some talk show host in Chicago who is more into herself than anything else. What has this world come to???
As for being dedicated to one's dog, well, that is something I wholeheartedly support and I know for a fact that God sends us dogs to make this a better world because the humans have screwed it up big time. I mean, I'm not doing a whole TV show about my dog, but only 'cause I can't find a sponsor.
Yes they will!FWiedner wrote:I was reading an article where scientists in the UK are growing embyos that combine human and bovine DNA, reportedly to have a ready source of harvesting embryonic stem-cells.
I personally believe that not only is Oprah starting her own church, but she is also financing the breeding of her own congregation.
That's right, a docile herd of chubby glassy-eyed Oprahites just standing there listening to every word she says, and occassionally saying Amooooon! Hallelooooooooyah!
Cow people.
And they'll all register Democrat.
Why anyone would follow the Church of Oprah I don't know and, quite frankly, don't care.Grizz wrote:Ah Charles, have you forgotten that Scripture is also given to rebuke sin?Charles wrote:Christians would be better off puting the energy and emotion they muster against Orah and her ilk, into the perfection and practice of their own faith.
I don't think it damages Scripture to rebuke and correct sinners, does it?2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Not really. Love the sinner, rebuke the sin. Pretty simple really.Kismet wrote: It just seems hard to follow Christ's fundamental message of love and acceptance when you're so busy rebuking and correcting everyone.
Michael in NH
Don't waste your time. I promise you, your pastors got multiple emails on Oprah and this matter weeks ago. I got a dozen. It is just slow getting to this board.rjohns94 wrote:This Oprah thing has got me to thinking. My first response was to change my signature line. My second response was to send it to my pastors for them to digest.
ursavus.elemensis wrote:It is sad on many levels, not the least of which is that so many people think a wealth-flaunting talk show host is somehow a leader who can provide essentail wisdom to guide their lives . . .
It's obvious to me (as a dog owner) that ages ago dogs allowed themselves to become domesticated by man because they found man so easy to train.. . . As for being dedicated to one's dog, well, that is something I wholeheartedly support and I know for a fact that God sends us dogs to make this a better world because the humans have screwed it up big time . . .
Only the ones who cross the line, THE line that I referenced in my post. Not many sheep are leading flocks astray.Charles wrote:"I don't even mind when pastor type chime in, as long as they chime in harmony with Scripture. " Grizz
Hummm... methinks I detect a hint of anti-clericalism here.
I don't know why you want to own that Charles. Says more about you than me. I was instructed that sheep make sheep. What are you claiming credit for?Charles wrote:"Only the ones who cross the line, THE line that I referenced in my post. Not many sheep are leading flocks astray"... Grizz
Sounds like a fellow who have never tried to do the very difficult job. It is easy to have the solution and sit in judgment when you have never had the problem. Yep...I do indeed detect the smell of anti-clericalism for sure and for certain. Now that is OK..everybody is entitled to what they think, but just own up to it.
If folks where not willing to commit their lives to the Gospel Ministry where would you and folks like you be today. Everybody at some point owes their faith to those who were willing to lay aside the world and self interest and pick up the cross. I think they deserve a little slack and a modicum of respect.
FWiedner wrote:I was reading an article where scientists in the UK are growing embyos that combine human and bovine DNA, reportedly to have a ready source of harvesting embryonic stem-cells.
I personally believe that not only is Oprah starting her own church, but she is also financing the breeding of her own congregation.
That's right, a docile herd of chubby glassy-eyed Oprahites just standing there listening to every word she says, and occassionally saying Amooooon! Hallelooooooooyah!
Cow people.
And they'll all register Democrat.
Well Charles, it may not giving you any credibility here (in fact it may detract from it), but I think you are very wise in your faith.Charles wrote: [Excellent points 1-5 snipped.]
6) In short Christians should be known for what they are for and not what they are against.
[Excellent point 7 snipped.]
This is just one of the things I have learned by watching, and working with Christian every day for 37 years.
All I meant by this was that Mormons say they believe in Jesus and still refer to the bible. I guess I consider that an "offshoot." I meant nothing more.Charles wrote:"If you are just upset that Oprah may be bastardizing Christianity, do you feel the same way about Mormons? After all, the LDS church is direct offshoot of Christianity - just 150 years or so earlier. " Kismit
Kismit.. For the record, the LDS church is not an offshoot of Christianity. ..... Joseph Smith was a creative fellow.
On many of the political posts it is made very clear that hypocrisy abounds in all walks of life. I think most would agree that when politicians demonstrate their hypocrisy it makes us detest politics. If I recall correctly, there was a discussion in the Elliot Spitzer thread about how if someone chooses to enter politics then they deserve to be held to a higher standard. The same thing happens with religion. As I said before, it is hard to hear Christ's message of love when his followers seem to be busy judging others. When you go about saying you are a Christian, people expect you to act like it.Charles wrote:Many otherwise Christian folks indulge their critical, combative, sinful human nature without giving it a second thought. They do the most awful things to each other "in the name of Jesus" and "for the sake of the Gospel". Many folks have an uncanny ability to place a Christian veneer over the worst parts sinful nature.
Folks outside of the church see this with utmost clarity. Most folks don't have a problem with Jesus, it is just the followers of Jesus that give them problem. They can't see past the hypocrisy into the real warm, loving, true church.
I was thinking about this idea quite a bit today. The problem, particularly with the case of homosexuality, is that in practice your nice little phrase doesn't actually work. How can you tell someone who is gay that you love them, but that you hate who they are, because unfortunately that is exactly what you are doing. The phrase may have a little more meaning with other sexual/marital sins like divorce, infidelity, pre-marital sex, etc., because people don't usually deeply identify with being a divorcee, an adulterer, or a pre-marital cohabitor! I don't think that is the case with homosexuality. Because of how society acts, their identity is embedded in their sexuality - and you hate them for it. (Not to mention that it is just hypocritical because although Christians purport to hate other sins equally, not much venom seems to be directed to those other sins I mentioned despite the fact that those sins are FAR more common!)C. Cash wrote: My take on Homosexuality and the Bible: hate the sin, love the sinner. I think this is the stance of the majority of Bible believing Christians today, though there has been much misunderstanding/hatred in the past.
wrongo not so.How can you tell someone who is gay that you love them, but that you hate who they are, because unfortunately that is exactly what you are doing.