Levergunners rejoicing across Canada at midnight tonight

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:54 pm

At midnight tonight, after the Canada Governor General's royal ascent, the Canadian registry for rifles and shotguns is gone. Whoo Hooo! What that means is that our rifles and shotguns no longer have to be registered. We can sell or ship or trade them directly to each other without having to register them, or the trade or transaction. We don't even need to go through an FFL dealer. Fourteen million rifles and shotguns, approximately seven million which were registered and another seven 'below the radar' for the past decade or so, are all our own personal business and no longer the business of the government. The registry was a colossal, 2 billion dollar failure in preventing even a single crime. To make this on topic, this applies to leverguns such as my modest collection of old 100 year+ Winchester rifles. It also applies to Marlins, Savages, Henry's, Ballards and Whitly's and any other other levergun you can think of.

It even applies to the 30-30 !!!!!

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:58 pm

A glorious day indeed!

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:08 pm

KirkD wrote: . We can sell or ship or trade them directly to each other without having to register them, or the trade or transaction. We don't even need to go through an FFL dealer.

The United States could learn a whole lot from this. Congratulations to our friends to the North, eh.

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:32 pm

That is great Kirk. Please have Your Guys talk to Our Guys.

Perry

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:35 pm

Great!! That is an even bigger victory than when our "Assault Weapon" Ban expired.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:36 pm

Gee, maybe we could learn something from that here in the land of the free.

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:41 pm

Wonderful news Kirk, real proud for you up there.

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:42 pm

pwl44m wrote:That is great Kirk. Please have Your Guys talk to Our Guys.
Perry

I agree with Perry!

SHASTA

pdentrem · Post by **pdentrem** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:53 pm

Actually in Canada, with a PAL you are a FFL dealer. We could ship guns back and forth between PAL holders at any time but we had to change the registration with the Feds when we did so. Now we do not need to tell the Feds anything! Best day in a long time!

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:18 pm

Our government actually rolled back an existing gun control law!! Our foreign friends can appreciate how much hassle and grief this was. It would be the same as having to call the FBI and seek their permission to buy or sell a Winchester, with everything subject to confiscation. They have promised to permanently destroy all existing records as well. This will keep changes in government from easily reinstating this afront to freedom. We still have restricted and prohibited classes for handguns and some assualt styles but for an old fashion pine knot killer it is a dream come true.

We expect an avalanche of squirreled away unregistered guns to hit the market! Maybe my Win 95 303 Brit dream might actually happen!!!! There are truckloads of lever actions (maybe even a few of those clumsy side grabbers), shotguns, and 22s sitting in closets up here, not to mention trainloads of Lee Enfields and Ross'. As we say here in Calgary, yahoo!

Dirk, is the law dead at midnight tonight as far as transactions go? I certainly wouldn't own an unregistered gun but it would be nice to know

.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:30 pm

For a government, ANY government to admit a mistake is colossal! Congrats to you and any that had a hand in accomplishing this!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:34 pm

pwl44m wrote:That is great Kirk. Please have Your Guys talk to Our Guys.
Perry

+1 on both points...!

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:42 pm

Congratulations Canada..

Hope someone in the UK takes notice that common sense CAN be applied.

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:47 pm

Congrats to you Kirk and all our Canadian brethren!

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:03 pm

Griff wrote:For a government, ANY government to admit a mistake is colossal! Congrats to you and any that had a hand in accomplishing this!

Bingo! This is GREAT news!

CONGRATS!

Oly

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:17 pm

Canuck Bob wrote: ... is the law dead at midnight tonight as far as transactions go? I certainly wouldn't own an unregistered gun but it would be nice to know .

The news I read on CBC news is that it is 'dead' at midnight tonight. That sounds like registration is dead as of midnight tonight. I think a lot of fellows will be taking a look around just in case they might have forgotten to get them all signed up back when it was instituted. Just sayin'.

Export/import records for Canada reveal that there were about 7 million unregistered rifles and shotguns. I guess it was hard for a fellow to remember where all his guns were and to get them all signed up when the registry was in effect.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:25 pm

I hope there are no secret statute of limitations...IOW, nothing after tonight, but if you held back anything?? But, I guess there would be no way of knowing.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:36 pm

Blaine it is a done deal and dead issue. The reports are flooding in. The province of Quebec has a court injunction to save the data for their province only until next week. The Minister responsible has directed the registry to destroy all other data immediately. There is a local gun show tommorow in Calgary. It should be a real celebration.

We have all expected this but the reality is overwhelming! We have all lived with a heavy fist over our heads for too long.

My plan to celebrate is burning my registrations in a lead smelt planned for the weekend and a solo shooting spree in the Crown forest. I'm extra proud of my country today.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:54 pm

Congrats for sure

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:57 pm

Griff wrote:For a government, ANY government to admit a mistake is colossal! Congrats to you and any that had a hand in accomplishing this!

Here, here!

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:00 pm

Great news.

Hopefully our fine leaders here will see the folly of it all and never give it a try.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:16 pm

cool bro, grats.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:34 pm

The Federal registry didn't even wait until midnight tonight. They shut down this afternoon!! This is a great day!

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:11 pm

Like others, I am just stunned any politicians would ever admit a law was a mistake. There is hope for humanity yet! Congrats to all our Canadian lever-brothers!

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:12 pm

Im happy for all of Canada, great Country just improved itself again

you guys are going the right way, Congrats

when i was young i fished & hunted in Ontario, Manitoba & Alberta
Truly wild & beautiful places

ollogger

spaceman spiff · Post by **spaceman spiff** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:38 pm

KirkD wrote:The Federal registry didn't even wait until midnight tonight. They shut down this afternoon!! This is a great day!

very, very cool......

spaceman

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:55 pm

great news...
now....they need to make it less painful for american hunters to bring in their guns....

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:59 pm

I'm extra proud of my country today.

I'm more than happy for you, Bob.......Our country, on the other hand, is really starting to go to stuff.

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:14 pm

wouldn't you know it, California just passed registration for long guns last year (it hasn't taken effect yet, and only affects new purchases if I remember correctly), so say hello to another $2 billion blunder.

We're happy to take on any gun control laws you want to get rid of.

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:24 pm

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:40 pm

By gum! I think I found Grandpa's old 303 Lee Enfield that I used for hunting when I was a boy. Now let me take a look around some more .......

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:52 pm

What a Great Day for All the Sportsmen in Canada. I can only Hope the Yo-Yo's

in the U.S. are takeing notes.

.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:54 pm

Whoa! Is that a Remington 870 under all that dust?!! and what's this? ...... a Browning 1886 SRC carbine!

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:22 pm

Makes me want to move next door to Kirk!

samb · Post by **samb** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:30 pm

Ain't it great! I went door to door in Ajax Pickering to help elect the Conservative MP last election. I was on a layover in Hamilton, and charged across Toronto in a Dodge rental with a Hemi. I often wondered if I would ever see this day! YEEHAW!

BAGTIC · Post by **BAGTIC** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:37 pm

Griff wrote:For a government, ANY government to admit a mistake is colossal! Congrats to you and any that had a hand in accomplishing this!

Did they actually admit a mistake or did they blame it on their predecessors? There is a difference.

cas · Post by **cas** » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:46 pm

KirkD wrote:The registry was a colossal, 2 billion dollar failure in preventing even a single crime.

Which means we'll be trying it any day now.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:04 am

Multiple "WOW"

Going forward, that's great news, Kirk - BUT - Were the old registrations destroyed ?

If not, It's a sad fact - ANY previously registered persons/guns, are STILL registered, and avaliable to the Gestapo.

.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:23 am

A great day indeed, here is the link to the RCMP web site

Hopefully the Quebec fiasco will fail!

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm

win38-55 · Post by **win38-55** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:27 am

This is truly a Great day for Canada. Hopefully England can learn from Canada.
As well as the U.S.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:56 pm

KirkD wrote:Whoa! Is that a Remington 870 under all that dust?!! and what's this? ...... a Browning 1886 SRC carbine!

You know I found some dusty guns too. There are going to be a flood of classifieds soon, yahoo!

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:35 pm

Congrats! We'll raise some beverages up high tonight.

pdentrem · Post by **pdentrem** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:34 pm

BAGTIC wrote:

Did they actually admit a mistake or did they blame it on their predecessors? There is a difference.

The former party in charge (Liberal) pushed this through with the lies that it would only cost 85 million and the fees would self found afterwards. What a joke after 2 billion! Just think of how many LEOs we could of had on the streets catching the scum for that money.

Now the current party (Conservatives) which are more western Canada based have been pushing to dump this since it was brought in. They even used it as one of their election promises for years. Now they have a majority and did finally do it!

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:20 pm

Canuck Bob wrote:You know I found some dusty guns too. There are going to be a flood of classifieds soon, yahoo!

It seems that in the last 24 hours, a lot of fellows have been finding rifles and shotguns that got 'lost' about 10 years ago.

A lot of ammo is turning up as well.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:44 pm

this is just wonderful, joyous news! proud of you folks for sure!!!!

Mescalero · Post by **Mescalero** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:24 pm

Who is importing these Canadian treasures?

foxtrapper · Post by **foxtrapper** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:12 am

That is great news! The "cobis" nonsense just took a dump here in N.Y. Let the good news continue

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:45 am

Mescalero wrote:Who is importing these Canadian treasures?

I can speak of importing to Canada but not the other way. We usually dream of guns and products we read about but can't source. I think your government has been very restrictive at the border going both ways.

If you ever find something let me know I can ask a couple of dealers up here who have contacts and sources in the US.

There are a lot of us prepared for this so I suspect a flurry in our home market. Many of them will just change status from fugitive guns to legal arms again and get passed on in families. Most Canadians were meat hunters and not gun collectors so working guns will abound! In most cases if a Canadian wanted something unique or collectable it was imported.

My shopping list includes a Savage 99 and Marlin 39.

In regards to the past years our Alberta Province has always supported sporting firearm use. They told the Federal government that if they wanted it enforced to pay for it and never pushed enforcement. Our necks are about as red as you'll find in Canada. Kinda like Texas, lots of oil, guns, ranchers, and loggers.

chadbr · Post by **chadbr** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:59 am

Canuck Bob wrote: In regards to the past years our Alberta Province has always supported sporting firearm use. They told the Federal government that if they wanted it enforced to pay for it and never pushed enforcement. Our necks are about as red as you'll find in Canada. Kinda like Texas, lots of oil, guns, ranchers, and loggers.

I always tell people Calgary is like Houston with colder weather and goofy accents

Congrats on the getting your shackles cut!

Chad

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:03 pm

chadbr wrote:
Canuck Bob wrote: In regards to the past years our Alberta Province has always supported sporting firearm use. They told the Federal government that if they wanted it enforced to pay for it and never pushed enforcement. Our necks are about as red as you'll find in Canada. Kinda like Texas, lots of oil, guns, ranchers, and loggers.
I always tell people Calgary is like Houston with colder weather and goofy accents

Congrats on the getting your shackles cut!

Chad

We have our share of houston natives up here working in the patch. I always refer to Jeff Foxworthy on the subject of accents. We, of course, speak the colonial version of the Queen's English, y'all draaaawl!