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RIHMFIRE wrote:
FWiedner wrote:I've already voted for Paul in the Primary.

I'll write him in in the General.

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your logic is just amazing.....

its people like you that will hand the white house to a
commi democrat, who will select the next supreme court
justice member....and they will destroy the 2nd and God
knows what else....more of our freedom
you really dont have a clue
Oh yes.

It will be much less "commi" when a dyed in the wool Republican turncoat does exactly the same thing. I guess it's perfectly alrright to have you rights pulled from under you as long as it's your "commi" doing it.

You ought to work on that "logic" thing.

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Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.

History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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If you want to pee away your gun rights, just keep voting for wacko Ron.

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Swampman wrote:If you want to pee away your gun rights, just keep voting for wacko Ron.
Your mistake lies in believing that anyone but almighty G_d decides what any of my rights are.

Comrades McCain, Clinton, Obama, or some other unnamed Lennin loving Democrat could buy off the Congress and the Supreme Court and burn the Constitution in a drunken commie rage and it would have no effect whatsoever on my rights.

Our rights are ours by birth, by the grace of Providence and the Almighty. The 2nd Amendment simply acknowledges that The Founders understood that fact well enough to place into the very foundation of our law an article forbidding government at any level to infringe on that right.

The facts that the unencumbered right to keep and bear arms is enumerated and enshrined in the very foundation of our nation’s law, and that the government authorized and created by that same document chooses to defy and ignore that law by continuous, conscious, and deliberate infringement of that right reveals that, in truth, there is no law, only a well placed body of influential men who have seized power and use unbridled authority against the People under the color of law.

Now, you may say that "this is the law", or "that is the law", but the law, in general, is a falsehood, and is arbitrarily enforced on those that disagree or cannot resist. That said, why then should such law not be arbitrarily obeyed?

Other men in other places have other ideas. If those ideas include some notion of denying or limiting what I consider to be my rights sans my offered cooperation, then there is every likelihood that I will choose to ignore those men and their ideas, just as they have chosen to ignore my rights.

My rights are mine by virtue of birth. These rights are mine because I choose to claim them, not because another man says that he chooses to recognize them.

Whom I vote for has no bearing on that subject.

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History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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FWiedner,
In principle I can't say that I disagree with one word you wrote, but on the practical side we both know that exercising your God given rights in many states would land you in prison. We need a way of turning back the clock to a time when those rights and principles were not only upheld, but embraced by our government. Neither of the two major parties has a candidate that is willing to uphold our rights. Both parties have had their chance to straighten this country out and both failed miserably. I had great hopes for Bush, had is the key word. I keep hearing that a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Hillary or Obama, but is there a choice? McCain has asked Conservatives to join him, but Conservatives didn't abandon the Republican Party, the Republican Party abandoned Conservatives. I don't pretend to have the answer, but I do know it doesn't lay with either of these two parties. I sincerely fear that if this country isn't turned around soon it will be too late. Maybe I'm just getting too old, but I'm sorry to say that's the way I see things.
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FWiedner your retoric sounds very nobel. The jack booted feds will roll you (and me) up like an old carpet. If you think you can resist then you will join the ranks of the Branch Davidians and the martyrs of Ruby Ridge. All the good sheeple will fall in line or die. Watching my fellow "citizens" during Hurricanes has shown me what America is made up of. I won't say what that is.

We are soft and lazy. We cannot endure any real hardship. We all are so attached to the teat of greed, prosperity, and class envy that Chesty Puller's prophesy can't be too far off.

When given the choice between McCain and a dem, the choice is crystal clear.
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I'll vote republican no matter what! I just hope he picks a strong Vice President.
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I don't believe what we have now is conservative. But I like what we have.

I don't believe we've had a conservative in my life time, nor do I believe we will ever have another conservative.

George Wallace is pretty much the last conservative I can remember running. I liked him.

I haven't had a TV since 1976. I wouldn't know about TV.
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Since no third party candidate stands a chance of willing, and no write in does either, it simply comes down to this; do I vote for McCain and take a chance he won't totally FUBAR this country, or vote for Obama/Clinton who will without a shadow of a doubt FUBAR this county.
That's interesting. However, your quote needs a slight modification: "...do I vote for McCain who will without a shadow of a doubt FUBAR this county, or vote for Obama/Clinton who will without a shadow of a doubt FUBAR this county."
its people like you that will hand the white house to a
commi democrat, who will select the next supreme court
justice member....and they will destroy the 2nd
News for you: we don't have a 2nd Amendment because of some old parchment or because some old men in black dresses say we do. We have it because we will kill anyone who tries to take our guns. Enough of us will anyway; the rest, the "weekend patriots" will just have to depend on them to get the job done. It's irrelevant who's in the court on this question. The only relevance of the court is on when the government is going to decide to try us. One could reasonably argue that the earlier, the better; because our resolve does not increase over time.
The jack booted feds will roll you (and me) up like an old carpet. If you think you can resist then you will join the ranks of the Branch Davidians and the martyrs of Ruby Ridge. All the good sheeple will fall in line or die.
If you think this is so, then what's the point of voting at all? What's the point of "rights" at the pleasure of our masters? Your rights are already gone. Your rifles are toys. You might as well hand them in now and save yourself the trouble. Be realistic, right?

Fortunately there are folks out here with stiffer backbones, so our rights are not gone yet.
We can put up with four years of one of the other socialists that don't call themselves conservative, and retain our party in a semblance of conservative leaning. Perhaps a chance of moving back to the right some...
Ah, but the question is, how does one move the party back to the right?

A true conservative can do two things. He can vote for McCain, which is a way of telling the party "I agree where you are going" or "I may disgree, but you can go ahead and ignore what I think." Or a true conservative can stay at home and let the party learn their lesson for peeing on conservatives. To me it's clear which action sends the right message to the party.

McCain is not going to win in any case. Not in a million years. I'm still amazed people have not learned the lesson of the 2006 election. Voters are done with wars started on lies, with civil liberties trampled. McCain just offers more of the same, except even more crudely than Bush if possible. Many conservatives and libertarians stayed home that election, disgusted with the Bush record on spending and other issues. McCain just offers more of that too.

Just as some here are holding their nose and attempting to put makeup on this pig, this RINO gun-grabbing scum McCain, some libertarians are also making their peace with a major candidate - but Obama, not McCain (on the theory he will stop the war). Get the point? There goes even more of the natural R constituency, actually voting D rather than staying at home. McCain doesn't have a chance.

Do something good for the Republican party. Send them a message, "NO MORE ROTTEN CANDIDATES!" Maybe they will take it to heart next election.
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"Fortunately there are folks out here with stiffer backbones, so our rights are not gone yet."

Yep, they are gone. You are at the mercy of a government that allows you to keep them until they feel like taking them. Folks with "stiffer backbones" bleed out just as fast as the rest.
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To those that think there is a lesser of two evils between Obama and Hillory, I'd like to point out that is like choosing the lesser evil between Stalin or Lenin.

I choose to avoid that decision if it's all the same. McCain isn't perfect but he's not a socialist. The other two are!

There are 9 months left before the election. That is enough time. We may not be able to win it all but we could elect the least offensive President and get 41 seats in the senate. That's the most important issue.

With more than 40 seats we can block the Socialists from surrendering in Iraq, raising our taxes, picking more ACLU Justices and taking our guns.

I'll hold my nose for that outcome if it comes to it.

It's time to think and act strategically. What will it cost if we give up without a political fight? The time for sitting by and watching is over. Those that can afford it, start supporting your most conservative candidates for Congress and the Senate. Those that can't get committed to this outcome. Talk to folks point out what there is to lose. Above all remember this quote.

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Folks with "stiffer backbones" bleed out just as fast as the rest.
As do would-be confiscators. And there are more of us than there are of them.

But go ahead and turn your guns in. Ain't no one here stopping you. Why even wait for them to tell you? Safer for you to dump them now.
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I did dump all my semi-autos because that's the first ones the'll come for.
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Swampman wrote:I did dump all my semi-autos because that's the first ones the'll come for.
So you'll wait to draw the line when your at a total disadvantage? I just shake my head when someone starts talking about getting more blackpowder stuff because it will still be allowed. Hell, just take a bottle of sleeping pills and get it over with. Your useless to the rest of us when you think like that. A nation of quitters.
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If you look at what happened in Australia, you'll see my logic. Study history, and you'll see my logic.

Logic is the key to staying alive. I hope your family doesn't need you. I'll be there for mine.

Big talk is cheap. Walking the walk is something I almost never see. I'll keep looking though.

Repeat after me. I'm not Rambo, I only saw the movie.
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For the first time in 26 years I am not going to vote for a presidential candidate unless someone else files for president. I am NOT going to vote for Sen. John McCain because he is just too liberal for me, plus he tried to have me and three other Marines court martialed for something we did not do.

Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton are also way out there, so I will not be voting for them also.

What happened to the conservatives, are they under a rock? I am so frustrated with who's running. In the past I always found a candidate that I could live with but not now.

So unless someone else runs I will not be voting, and that hurts me because so many men & women have fought and died to give me the right to vote. I fell like I am betraying them.

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Swampman wrote:If you look at what happened in Australia, you'll see my logic. Study history, and you'll see my logic.

Logic is the key to staying alive. I hope your family doesn't need you. I'll be there for mine.

Big talk is cheap. Walking the walk is something I almost never see. I'll keep looking though.

Repeat after me. I'm not Rambo, I only saw the movie.
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Better smart than dead. Not a problem for most.
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..."I think after all his [McCain's] antics, that to reward him is WORSE than 4 years of (well, any of them.) At least the other choices would leave hope for next time. Not him."...


The last time I heard this kind of thinking was two years ago. All conservatives were PO'ed at the Republicans in congress. Let's show them. Lets just sit out the election.

At the time Republicans controlled the House and the Senate as well as the White House. I don't think anyone was talking about selling their guns then... I don't think many were talking about how to hide them either.

Well, who was really hurt by that stunt. All I have heard since the last election is how bad the Surrender Monkey Dems are and what a threat they are to our wallets and our freedom.

Are we really going to shoot ourselves again? Are we really so confused that we cant see the costs of mistakes with our freedom are huge. Really. Well I can and I wont. "I wont go quietly into that dark night." Just to send a message.

Sell your guns. Vote Democrat. Put up a Global Warming flag in the front yard. Promise to be be good little Socialists and say thank you when they take another right away from you and then another while they bribe you with your own money.

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JP_TX wrote:To those that think there is a lesser of two evils between Obama and Hillory, I'd like to point out that is like choosing the lesser evil between Stalin or Lenin.

I choose to avoid that decision if it's all the same. McCain isn't perfect but he's not a socialist. The other two are!

There are 9 months left before the election. That is enough time. We may not be able to win it all but we could elect the least offensive President and get 41 seats in the senate. That's the most important issue.

With more than 40 seats we can block the Socialists from surrendering in Iraq, raising our taxes, picking more ACLU Justices and taking our guns.

I'll hold my nose for that outcome if it comes to it.

It's time to think and act strategically. What will it cost if we give up without a political fight? The time for sitting by and watching is over. Those that can afford it, start supporting your most conservative candidates for Congress and the Senate. Those that can't get committed to this outcome. Talk to folks point out what there is to lose. Above all remember this quote.

All that is necessary for Evil to Win, is for the good to do Nothing!

AMEN brother, I'm with you on that.
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Agreed we are up s'''''t creek without a paddle and you all have the right to act as you feel is right. The other part of the equation is the economy which can be used by dems to justify all sorts of liberal programs that garner their future support. Both hussain and the witch are promising to tax and change trade agreements in ways that can be argued, but if these moves slows down the economy more will be disasterous.
If a tax rebate will have the effect of spurring the economy (is it enough soon enough?) How can anybody justify the taxes we have now not even considering raising taxes if that isn't constructive to the economy?
Just think about it -which one of the choices wwould be the least worst for the economy-the apointment of judges-the errosion of the constitution???
You can protest vote but won't stop the elected one from doing their agenda. At least chose your poison if that is the way you view it
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"this is my line in the sand, here we turn or die."

I'll miss you.
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Boys I am afraid we are screwed no matter who gets elected!! I will say that I would rather have my throat cut than vote for Hillary or OSAMA!!!!!! I have never liked McCain but I guess I will be forced to vote for him....
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Swampman wrote:Better smart than dead. Not a problem for most.
And that is just what happened in THE Revolution. One third fought for us, one third fought for them and one third collaborated with whomever was in control at the time. Just as in this topic, people were pretty polarized at the time. The losers left but many (or their children) returned some 30-50 years later.

Doing the right thing despite the risk, even the surety of loss, is one of the lessons I think we're here to learn. One of the reasons that I have a shooting blog to record my interests and am doing the genealogical research/documenting family histories is that I want my grandchildren to know that it is all right to risk everything to do the right thing and that there will be life afterwards if they do lose everything in this world.
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We must always keep in mind that the "right thing" is a matter of perspective. I'm sure the Tories thought they were doing the right thing by being faithful to their existing government.

Personally I'm faithful to God, myself, and mine. Nothing else matters anymore.

Do as you see fit. I have.
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Four pages that wouldn't even be here if people voted to nominate a Conservative. Ya get what you deserve & if you compromise too much what you deserve starts tasting.....well like stuff.

This isn't Australia, the UK or any other place. Its America we are different because of some words on a piece of paper that used to mean something. We need to make them mean something again. Something that means what it says regardless of world view, crime, suicide, accidents, liabilities or anything else. It needs to be made clear just who is in charge.

Its pretty discouraging to here gun owners saying its ok to compromise & just get the guns you think they wont care about. Heck if grandpa did that maybe I could have a sling shot. Might as well trade them leverguns in too because once some liberal figures out you can stuff up to a dozen rounds in one they'll come for those too. Once it gets that far along I bet they rediscover the seconds true meaning & start snatching up the falling blocks, rolling blocks & other single shots since theyre not military type arms. Course by then nobody will remember that they took those first.

I about agree with Dan except I'll vote for Paul if at all possible.
The rest are just different shapes of liberals.
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I hope you guys didn't take what I said wrong. I have no doubt that they will take most of our guns soon because some of us are too hard headed to do the right thing.

I know I can't count on my fellow gun owners to vote Republican no matter what, so I sold all my semi-autos before the Democrats show up at my door step with M-16s and riot gear to take them. I couldn't afford to lose all the money I had invested in them.

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"We must all hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately"

Benjamin Franklin

Makes sense to me.
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