Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
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Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Sorry, the boy had to meet mother nature that way.http://www.chron.com/news/environment/a ... 105934.php
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Glad to hear the boy was not too badly hurt.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
He's lucky to get a second chance. A full grown mountain lion up against a six year old would be no contest.
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That cat was lucky it was only Dad. Had Mom been there, the cat would have been DOA. One lesson all should learn, is never mess with the MOMMY.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
DOA is a good term, but I have one that's a little more descriptive -- DRT (dead right there) -- you're right never mess with a Mom... :)jeepnik wrote:That cat was lucky it was only Dad. Had Mom been there, the cat would have been DOA. One lesson all should learn, is never mess with the MOMMY.
Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
When I was a kid, my brothers and I had Mora knives we carried everywhere but to school. We fought with fists over anything and everything, but nobody touched one without all three jumping in. That Mountain Lion might have had a lot more trouble with us. Dad taught us to sharpen knives when we were old enough to carry one. As a kid I was a little too brave for my own good, and still have the scars to remind me of it.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
There was a fatal cat attack on the Window Trail back in the early 90s as I recall. I took my high school geology classes up there not long after that.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
That should earn that dad Father of the Year. That boy will be telling that story to his great grandchildren.
Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
And this thread begs the question, which knife for mountain lions.
Some will interpret that as which pocket pistol for mountain lion.
I think I'd prefer the latter.
Some will interpret that as which pocket pistol for mountain lion.
I think I'd prefer the latter.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Like the "DAD" proved the one you have with you...Malamute wrote:And this thread begs the question, which knife for mountain lions.
Some will interpret that as which pocket pistol for mountain lion.
I think I'd prefer the latter.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
One of the many reasons I carry a rather large size knife on me when traveling the woods.
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I can get my 4" Cold Steel folder into action faster than the mouse gun....If I saw it coming, I'd get low so I wouldn't get knocked over on my back (ie, done for )
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
There are sign all over the place up there warning people that it's maintained as a wilderness area, animals and all. I figure the guy let the kid wander ahead, like any father might, and the kitten saw a small defenseless animal wandering around and wanted to play at 'hunting'.
Thumbs-up to the father for being close enough to help, thumbs-down to the same guy for not keeping a close eye on the kid to begin with IN A WIDLERNESS AREA.
Thumbs-up to the father for being close enough to help, thumbs-down to the same guy for not keeping a close eye on the kid to begin with IN A WIDLERNESS AREA.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Not a "cat" warning, but...
Seriously though, I am glad for the boy, and sure he's proud of his Dad too!
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Seriously though, I am glad for the boy, and sure he's proud of his Dad too!
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Malamute, I reckon that about any good Bowie style knife would do, reckon dad was just proud to have a pocket knife.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
I generally don't have a blade shorter than seven inches on my belt.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Some signs I have seen.
kimwcook: I agree most of my field fixed blades are at least that long with at least a .357 back-up.
kimwcook: I agree most of my field fixed blades are at least that long with at least a .357 back-up.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
It was on a sidewalk between a lodge and restaraunt, not out in the toolies. Just wanted to mention that. It didn't happen in what anyone would consider wilderness. In that light, it's unlikely anyone would legally have a gun, being that both places are probably federal buildings. Yellowstone has many facilities that are close together, joined by sidealks. It is surrounded by wild country, and is full of grizzlies, but around the buildings isn't where people see bears, or have problems with them, or what anyone would call wilderness right by the buildings. Most people are very much in their "white" zone there.FWiedner wrote:There are sign all over the place up there warning people that it's maintained as a wilderness area, animals and all. I figure the guy let the kid wander ahead, like any father might, and the kitten saw a small defenseless animal wandering around and wanted to play at 'hunting'.
Thumbs-up to the father for being close enough to help, thumbs-down to the same guy for not keeping a close eye on the kid to begin with IN A WIDLERNESS AREA.
Good for the dad for stepping up to the plate and doing what needed to be done.
Does Texas have folding knife blade length laws? Belt knife blade length laws?
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
The basin 'park' area is a parking lot with a few buildings in it. It is somewhat like a long forgotten motel and is not heavily peopled. It is located in a natural basin high in the park and IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WILDERNESS AREA. Hiking trails surround it and radiate from it. It is not unusual to see lions or bears in the area or on the way down to the window. I personally watched a lion stroll down from the restaurant, sniff the trash by the general store, and then mosey down toward the rangers residence and the window. The response when it was reported the next morning? "They live here." The cat I saw in the parking lot did not go out of it's way to find a sidewalk, nor it it likely that it was in some unusual or unfrequented area. I doubt that the cat that played with the boy was in a foreign environment.Malamute wrote:It was on a sidewalk between a lodge and restaraunt, not out in the toolies. Just wanted to mention that. It didn't happen in what anyone would consider wilderness. In that light, it's unlikely anyone would legally have a gun, being that both places are probably federal buildings. Yellowstone has many facilities that are close together, joined by sidealks. It is surrounded by wild country, and is full of grizzlies, but around the buildings isn't where people see bears, or have problems with them, or what anyone would call wilderness right by the buildings. Most people are very much in their "white" zone there.FWiedner wrote:There are sign all over the place up there warning people that it's maintained as a wilderness area, animals and all. I figure the guy let the kid wander ahead, like any father might, and the kitten saw a small defenseless animal wandering around and wanted to play at 'hunting'.
Thumbs-up to the father for being close enough to help, thumbs-down to the same guy for not keeping a close eye on the kid to begin with IN A WIDLERNESS AREA.
Good for the dad for stepping up to the plate and doing what needed to be done.
Does Texas have folding knife blade length laws? Belt knife blade length laws?
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Malamute wrote: Does Texas have folding knife blade length laws? Belt knife blade length laws?
There is a nonapplicability clauseTexas Penal Code Chapter 46-Weapons wrote:(6) "Illegal knife" means a:
(A) knife with a blade over five and one-half inches;
(B) hand instrument designed to cut or stab another by being thrown;
(C) dagger, including but not limited to a dirk, stilletto, and poniard;
(D) bowie knife;
(E) sword; or
(F) spear.
(7) "Knife" means any bladed hand instrument that is capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by cutting or stabbing a person with the instrument.
The clause applies to Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS and Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITEDTexas Penal Code Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY wrote:(3) is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's residence or motor vehicle, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity;
Just answering your question. I'm sure someone will be offended by the Texas law and rant a bit. My personal opinion is that its confusing enough to make a person (including an LEO) unsure if the law is being broken or not. Especially as the portion I underlined is in the eye of the beholder. It makes no difference in Texas if it is a folding or fixed blade knife. A switchblade is a different matter.
Again, there are some confusing defenses.Texas Penal Code Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. wrote: (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:
(1) an explosive weapon;
(2) a machine gun;
(3) a short-barrel firearm;
(4) a firearm silencer;
(5) a switchblade knife;
(6) knuckles;
(7) armor-piercing ammunition;
(8) a chemical dispensing device; or
(9) a zip gun.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
Didn't seem to be too much of a wilderness area, this taken from the article. I'd personally cut the dad some slack. Sounds like he did what he needed to do.FWiedner wrote:There are sign all over the place up there warning people that it's maintained as a wilderness area, animals and all. I figure the guy let the kid wander ahead, like any father might, and the kitten saw a small defenseless animal wandering around and wanted to play at 'hunting'.
Thumbs-up to the father for being close enough to help, thumbs-down to the same guy for not keeping a close eye on the kid to begin with IN A WIDLERNESS AREA.
"The attack on a sidewalk between the lodge and a restaurant is believed to be the second reported sighting of the lion that night."
How many parents worry about their kid running ahead of them on their way to a restaurant?
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In my limited experience, Texas knife law tends to not to be strongly enforced, until you try to commit a criminal act with a knife, or bayonet, sword, dagger etc, or are a known gang banger.
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Interestingly, that is even the case here. I guess most cops don't want to hassle folks they know aren't going to cause them more work. Yea, you can run into a zealot, but most, like everyone appreciate kind words and cooperation, so they overlook somethings.Moondawg wrote:In my limited experience, Texas knife law tends to not to be strongly enforced, until you try to commit a criminal act with a knife, or bayonet, sword, dagger etc, or are a known gang banger.
It kind of reminds me of an old "Car 54, Where Are You" episode. The brass is up set that the patrol area of the stars has thousands of minor vilolations. They decide to investigate. What they find is that major crime is almost nonexistant. Seems that the residents appreciate not being hassled over small stuff, so they make sure big stuff doesn't happen. Sometimes I think that episode needs to be shown as a "training film" in police academies.
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From one of the area's local papers, The Alpine Avalanche:
http://www.alpineavalanche.com/gallery/ ... 3ce6c.html
His mother, of course, wants to see all that 'nature' controlled and an armed defender of wayward women and children at every intersection (apparently, Dad is chopped liver.)
Glad the kid is OK.
It's amazing that we've survived as a species.
http://www.alpineavalanche.com/gallery/ ... 3ce6c.html
While they were obviously in the lodge area, it sounds to me like the youngster took an ill-fated short-cut off the sidewalk and discovered nature the hard way.Later in the day, a 6-year old boy, river Harris, was attacked between the Chisos Mountain Lodge and the Chisos Mountain Lodge Restaurant, possibly by the same mountain lion.
Rivers' mother, Kristi Harris of Leander, said the child was attacked while walkiing through a native brush area.
"We were surrounded by native vegetation, which is great for predators to come hunting; it jumped out of the brush and grabbed my son," Harris said.
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"There was no ranger there when it happened," Harris said.
"They don't see the danger in animals wandering in the parking lot, campgrounds and outside the restrooms; it's just ridiculous," Harris said.
"They don't have the appropriate culture there at all."
His mother, of course, wants to see all that 'nature' controlled and an armed defender of wayward women and children at every intersection (apparently, Dad is chopped liver.)
Glad the kid is OK.
It's amazing that we've survived as a species.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Re: Big Bend mountain lion attacks boy, 6
If you walked on the streets or into any store or business in Texas with a long blade knife dangling on your belt, and a cop saw you, you would most likely have legal problems.
I have been to the Chisos Basin in Big Bend National Park on many occasions and the area in question is right next to parking lots and all kinds of activities.
I have been to the Chisos Basin in Big Bend National Park on many occasions and the area in question is right next to parking lots and all kinds of activities.