Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:34 pm
- Location: Big Sky Country
Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Has anyone seen or handled one of these? Availability? Price?
I'm in the market for a .45-70 and love my Browning 71 in .348, so a match in .45-70 would be fun. My dad has a Marlin in .444 that he likes a bunch so the Boarbuster might be an option for him or me too.
Thanks, Brett
I'm in the market for a .45-70 and love my Browning 71 in .348, so a match in .45-70 would be fun. My dad has a Marlin in .444 that he likes a bunch so the Boarbuster might be an option for him or me too.
Thanks, Brett
"Be kind and polite to everyone you meet; but have a plan on how to kill them." General Mattis
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I don't care for the Boar Buster. The barrel is too short and that camo color is awful. I love the Kodiak Mk IV double rifle and the 86-71, of course. The photos don't show a rear sling attachment, but they should have one.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I dunno I kinda like the Boar Buster , but of course I'd like it better if it had a plain old walnut stock and forend .
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda- ... -camo.html
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda- ... -camo.html
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Yeah here's a Boar Buster with walnut !
I could certainly live with this one !
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda- ... uster.html
I could certainly live with this one !
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda- ... uster.html
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:34 pm
- Location: Big Sky Country
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
6pt-sika,
The walnut Boarbuster was the one I looked at and liked. I agree, I don't like the camo version very much and I really like the 22" barrel on the .444 that my dad owns.
I'm still hoping that someone owns or has handled one of these and has a real world price on them. Enjoyed your replies.
The walnut Boarbuster was the one I looked at and liked. I agree, I don't like the camo version very much and I really like the 22" barrel on the .444 that my dad owns.
I'm still hoping that someone owns or has handled one of these and has a real world price on them. Enjoyed your replies.
"Be kind and polite to everyone you meet; but have a plan on how to kill them." General Mattis
- Rimfire McNutjob
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3170
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:51 pm
- Location: Sanford, FL.
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
BTW, that blurb notes that it's proofed for factory loads up to 3550 BAR. That's 51,489 PSI in case anyone is wondering. That's right on up there for a lever action. I think it's commonly thought that even though the .348 WCF is run at 42,000 PSI that the modern 71/86 action is really good to 50,000 PSI. I don't run mine up that high but it's interesting to see a manufacturer mark a levergun above the 50,000 PSI level. Of course, it would make more power with a 22" or 24" barrel if one wanted to take full advantage of 3550 BAR.
I may have erred in my statement above about the .348 WCF being 42,000 PSI. I believe it's actually 42,000 CUP which is a bit over 46,000 PSI. I don't have my reference handy since I'm on this silly iPad thing.
I may have erred in my statement above about the .348 WCF being 42,000 PSI. I believe it's actually 42,000 CUP which is a bit over 46,000 PSI. I don't have my reference handy since I'm on this silly iPad thing.
Last edited by Rimfire McNutjob on Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.
... I love poetry, long walks on the beach, and poking dead things with a stick.
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
As you may be well aware I already have several of the Marlin's with 22" barrels and a good many more with 24" barrels .Henry McCann wrote:6pt-sika,
The walnut Boarbuster was the one I looked at and liked. I agree, I don't like the camo version very much and I really like the 22" barrel on the .444 that my dad owns.
Also earlier this year I chopped one of 1966 vintage down to 19" and refinished the wood and metal . It's actually a pretty handy little rifle . Hence the reason I like this Boar Buster thing and of course since they have it set up so one can use a scope of sorts thats all the better !
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
-
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1000
- Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:02 pm
- Location: WY
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
One has to be careful in comparing CIP piezo with SAAMI piezo; just as careful as comparing SAAMI piezo and copper crusher (CUP). CIP pressures are taken at the end of the case rather than at the body of the case and it is normal for "their" numbers to be higher than SAAMI. It is difficult for two separate SAAMI piezo systems to come out with the same numbers let alone making direct comparisons with different system protocols.Rimfire McNutjob wrote:BTW, that blurb notes that it's proofed for factory loads up to 3550 BAR. That's 51,489 PSI in case anyone is wondering. That's right on up there for a lever action. I think it's commonly thought that even though the .348 WCF is run at 42,000 PSI that the modern 71/86 action is really good to 50,000 PSI. I don't run mine up that high but it's interesting to see a manufacturer mark a levergun above the 50,000 PSI level. Of course, it would make more power with a 22" or 24" barrel if one wanted to take full advantage of 3550 BAR.
I may have erred in my statement above about the .348 WCF being 42,000 PSI. I believe it's actually 42,000 CUP which is a bit over 46,000 PSI. I don't have my reference handy since I'm on this silly iPad thing.
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 30
- Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:16 pm
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Notice that the photos of the camo Boar Buster have the bolt milled for a peep sight. I find that intriguing.
- Ji in Hawaii
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1987
- Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:05 pm
- Location: Moku Manu, Hawai'i
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
That Boar Buster looks like a nice Alaska insurance policy. What's the rifling twist? If it can handle 320 grain loads it'd make a nice fishing partner.
Illegitimus Non Carborundum
Akā, ʻo ka poʻe hilinaʻi aku iā Iēhova, e ulu hou nō ko lākou ikaika;
E piʻi ʻēheu aku nō lākou i luna, e like me nā ʻaito;
E holo nō lākou, ʻaʻole hoʻi e māloʻeloʻe,
E hele mua nō lākou, ʻaʻole hoʻi e maʻule.
`Isaia 40:31
Akā, ʻo ka poʻe hilinaʻi aku iā Iēhova, e ulu hou nō ko lākou ikaika;
E piʻi ʻēheu aku nō lākou i luna, e like me nā ʻaito;
E holo nō lākou, ʻaʻole hoʻi e māloʻeloʻe,
E hele mua nō lākou, ʻaʻole hoʻi e maʻule.
`Isaia 40:31
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
It says 1:54Friends Call Me Ji wrote:That Boar Buster looks like a nice Alaska insurance policy. What's the rifling twist? If it can handle 320 grain loads it'd make a nice fishing partner.
However that may be 1:54 centimeters one never knows !
IF it is actually 1:54 inches I expect 300 grain cast will be about tops .
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:34 pm
- Location: Big Sky Country
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Keeping this at the top. Thanks for the comments!
"Be kind and polite to everyone you meet; but have a plan on how to kill them." General Mattis
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
As far as I know, the Boar Buster hasn't gone out yet. I'm in line for one in a couple months or so.
Supposed to be getting a Kodiak to play with next week, if the process goes through.
And Hobie- if you're listening, the Slotterbek's in print, appearing at a grocery store near you. Hopefully.
Denis
Supposed to be getting a Kodiak to play with next week, if the process goes through.
And Hobie- if you're listening, the Slotterbek's in print, appearing at a grocery store near you. Hopefully.
Denis
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Yeah I called "Taylor's" In Winchester Virginia today to see what they could tell me since they're listed as a Pederosoli distributer and their response was less then helpfull . Girl I talked to had never heard of the gun and the regular girl that handled this part was on vacation until the thursday before Xmas . So I'll wait and call back next week . I'da atleast like to have found out what our dealer cost was going to be !DPris wrote:As far as I know, the Boar Buster hasn't gone out yet. I'm in line for one in a couple months or so.
And "if" they had them in stock I woulda taken a copy of our license and driven over to take a look at one since Winchester's about 60 miles from us !
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I'm told 2-3 months to get a .444, longer to get a .45-70.
Not sure there's any in the country yet.
Denis
Not sure there's any in the country yet.
Denis
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 120
- Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:21 am
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I handled one of the standard 86/71 models up at Taylor's shop in Winchester, Virginia a couple of months back; it was a 45-70 and was a very nice rifle. Didn't bother asking the price, as I was looking to buy. Pedersoli makes a fine gun, at least judging from my Sharps.
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I'm dealing with IFG (Italian Firearms Group), associated with Pedersoli.
Apparently a new distribution consortium for increasing the US market.
Denis
Apparently a new distribution consortium for increasing the US market.
Denis
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
boar-buster nice concept--ugly camo stock... :)6pt-sika wrote:I dunno I kinda like the Boar Buster , but of course I'd like it better if it had a plain old walnut stock and forend .
http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda- ... -camo.html
-
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1244
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:15 pm
- Location: West Michigan
- Contact:
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I like the walnut version. Wonder what the price tag will be.
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I "suspect" something in the $1400-1600 area .WCF3030 wrote:I like the walnut version. Wonder what the price tag will be.
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:34 pm
- Location: Big Sky Country
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Thanks for all the information!
"Be kind and polite to everyone you meet; but have a plan on how to kill them." General Mattis
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
To each his own, but the Win 71 was designed around the .348WCF. For perfect feeding everytime when a brown bear surpises u close up. That's it's charm.
-
- Senior Levergunner
- Posts: 1362
- Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:11 pm
- Location: SoCal
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I sent a note to Pedersoli re. the twist rate. He replied that it is 1:38
Cheers,
Carl
Cheers,
Carl
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
new pig hunter wrote:I sent a note to Pedersoli re. the twist rate. He replied that it is 1:38
Cheers,
Carl
Okay then the 444 should handle cast bullets up to 375 grains . Well as long as they're about 14 on the hardness scale or more and pushed kinda hard .
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
If you've the notion the .444 could be taken to a totally new level through the 1886 action. It kinda leaves the 336 in the dirt strength wise.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Nope never thought any such nonsense !Mike D. wrote:If you've the notion the .444 could be taken to a totally new level through the 1886 action. It kinda leaves the 336 in the dirt strength wise.
But I figure if I push the bullets fast enough it should stabalize anything my herd of 1:38 Marlin's can handle .
I might even go as far as to try some of my 400 grain cast in one of these 86/71's . At the moment I can't push them fast enough to stabalize in a 1:38 Micro Groove barrel , but it's no problem in the faster twist ballard rifled barrel of my 2001 Marlin 444 .
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 132
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:34 pm
- Location: Big Sky Country
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Would still love to look one of these over. Or find someone that has.
Merry Christmas to all!
Merry Christmas to all!
"Be kind and polite to everyone you meet; but have a plan on how to kill them." General Mattis
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 240
- Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:31 pm
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
[quote="6pt-sika"][quote="Mike D."].[/quote]
But I figure if I push the bullets fast enough it should stabalize anything my herd of 1:38 Marlin's can handle .
I might even go as far as to try some of my 400 grain cast in one of these 86/71's . At the moment I can't push them fast enough to stabalize in a 1:38 Micro Groove barrel , but it's no problem in the faster twist ballard rifled barrel of my 2001 Marlin 444 .[/quote]
////////////////////////////////////////
I think you have it wrong as far as thinking higher velocities reduce
the needed twist rate to stabilize. It is commonly agreed that in
44mag rifles that anything over 240 gr cannot be stabilized with
1-38 twist. I Know Marlin made a mistake but I dont understand
why Pedersoli would copy them with the slow twist rate ? ?
But I figure if I push the bullets fast enough it should stabalize anything my herd of 1:38 Marlin's can handle .
I might even go as far as to try some of my 400 grain cast in one of these 86/71's . At the moment I can't push them fast enough to stabalize in a 1:38 Micro Groove barrel , but it's no problem in the faster twist ballard rifled barrel of my 2001 Marlin 444 .[/quote]
////////////////////////////////////////
I think you have it wrong as far as thinking higher velocities reduce
the needed twist rate to stabilize. It is commonly agreed that in
44mag rifles that anything over 240 gr cannot be stabilized with
1-38 twist. I Know Marlin made a mistake but I dont understand
why Pedersoli would copy them with the slow twist rate ? ?
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
preventec47 wrote:////////////////////////////////////////6pt-sika wrote:But I figure if I push the bullets fast enough it should stabalize anything my herd of 1:38 Marlin's can handle .Mike D. wrote:.
I might even go as far as to try some of my 400 grain cast in one of these 86/71's . At the moment I can't push them fast enough to stabalize in a 1:38 Micro Groove barrel , but it's no problem in the faster twist ballard rifled barrel of my 2001 Marlin 444 .
I think you have it wrong as far as thinking higher velocities reduce
the needed twist rate to stabilize. It is commonly agreed that in
44mag rifles that anything over 240 gr cannot be stabilized with
1-38 twist. I Know Marlin made a mistake but I dont understand
why Pedersoli would copy them with the slow twist rate ? ?
I may have it wrong you say ?
I've spent a good portion of the past TEN YEARS working with 1:38 slow twist Micro barrels in 444 and I think I'm well versed in what I say .
As to the 44 MAG in the same barrels thats BS also , I'm on my second circa 1967 Marlin 336-44 which is a 44 MAG with the 1:38 twist and it shoots 300 grain cast very nicely . I've even gone to a 325 grain mold I had cut for the 444 and it stabalizes that one well enough for decent 100 yard accuracy .
I NEVER said higher velocity was better then a faster twist , I have said NUMEROUSE times that "if" one wants to use up to a 375 grain cast bullet in the old Micro Groove 1:38 barrels they need atleast a 14 on the hardness scale and they need to push them pretty hard . I came to these conclusions thru actually shooting , not from "what is commonly agreed" . Commonly agreed isn't always the actual truth .
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
If Pedersoli made the twist rate 1:22 things would be much more copacetic. The standard rate for the old BP .45-90 was 1:36, but when the HV loads were introduced and the Extra Lightweight .45-90s were built they had the faster 1:22 twist.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
If you look on the link I posted earlier in this thread it said something like 1:54 I believe .Mike D. wrote:If Pedersoli made the twist rate 1:22 things would be much more copacetic. The standard rate for the old BP .45-90 was 1:36, but when the HV loads were introduced and the Extra Lightweight .45-90s were built they had the faster 1:22 twist.
There's nothing wrong with 1:38 if a person only shoots the "normal" vanilla factory loads . You start getting issues when you wanna go heavier in bullet weight . And if a person uses a little cognative reasoning when they cast and load they can figure that out as well .
The only reason I own a 444 with the ballard 1:20 rifling is because I wanted to shoot 400 grain cast bullets . Now do I need 400 grain cast bullets for anything I hunt ? Certainly not ! Do I "need" the heavy 375 and 350 grain bullets I shoot in the slow twist Micro Groove barrels ? Again the answer is certainly not !
But most of what people do now with any hunting gun is not a matter of "need" but rather a matter of "want" !
I want to shoot and play with those big bullets , there fore I find a way to do so
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
The largest bullets I have used are 350s and only for elk. For deer I like the 250 Barnes TSX. Call me crazy, but I haven't put a 405 through any of my Winchesters in 40 yrs.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
To be totally honest "crazy" was never one of the words I considered calling youMike D. wrote:The largest bullets I have used are 350s and only for elk. For deer I like the 250 Barnes TSX. Call me crazy, but I haven't put a 405 through any of my Winchesters in 40 yrs.
I assume you are making reference to your 45-70 loads ?
With the 45-70 I'm not as adament about things . However I do posess molds for 425 , 465 and 550 grain bullets which I enjoy shooting from time to time . Again it's not a matter of "need" but more of "want" meaning I "want" to try them .
You on the other hand obviousely do not "want" nor "care" to try the heavies and that is certainly your perrogative !
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I am "eccentric". I have also never cast bullets, heck, I've never even melted lead except to do splicing on old lead UG cables. I use the 250 and 300 grainers in both .45-70 and .45-90 loads.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Mike D. wrote:I am "eccentric". I have also never cast bullets, heck, I've never even melted lead except to do splicing on old lead UG cables. I use the 250 and 300 grainers in both .45-70 and .45-90 loads.
Casting is something someone truely has to WANT to do
Actually I find it rather relaxing if no ones bothers me while I'm doing it , but then the same can be said for the entire reloading practice .
If my memory serves me I've been casting for rifles maybe 11 or 12 years now . And probably for the past 3 or 4 years I've given up jacketed bullets in lever guns and revolvers . Not that anythings wrong with jacketed in either , just seems a bit more fun to me .
Now bolt actions and Ruger/Browning single shots I shot jacketed only . If I ever acquire a nice CPA Pope style Schuetzen rifle that will be a cast only deal as well .
Think I have 26-28 rifles that I cast for , 2 revolvers that I cast for and maybe 23-25 rifles I shoot jacketed in . To be honest life got alot simpler when I decided to just cast for the 444 and 45-70 granted I added a 44 MAG rifle to that equation about a month ago . But then all the revolvers I cast for are 44 MAG as well so no big deal !
Parkers , Mannlicher Schoenauer’s , 6.5mm's and my family in the Philippines !
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I used lead quite a bit before CA banned it. Even where legal it is frowned upon in PCCA. Entire ranges have been closed down for lead mitigation. It makes me want to vomit!
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
- Old Savage
- Posting leader...
- Posts: 16751
- Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:43 pm
- Location: Southern California
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I like the one with the oranage camo. Different, looks utilitarian.
A comparison of what MikeDs 250 loads in the Barnes TSX and my 300 gr loads loads on same demonstrates that Mike's choice is the way to go.
A comparison of what MikeDs 250 loads in the Barnes TSX and my 300 gr loads loads on same demonstrates that Mike's choice is the way to go.
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Mike D. wrote:If you've the notion the .444 could be taken to a totally new level through the 1886 action. It kinda leaves the 336 in the dirt strength wise.
There are several power levels of .45-70 ammo loads as far as I can see....legacy/black powder.....Marlin 1895......Ruger #1.
I'm hoping that the 1886/71 action with those huge locking lugs will put it near the Ruger #1 level.
Doug Turnbull makes 1886/71s in the monstrous .475 Turnbull which is a chipmunks fanny burp shy of a .458 Winchester Mag.
Only trouble is that the Turnbulls are quite a bit more expensive than the Pedersolis.
I wouldn't touch the Miroku Japchester 1886/71s cause they're smothered in "Nanny knows best" safety gadgetry (rebounding hammer, tang safety).
The Pedersoli is an honest to goodness "blueprint" unadulterated 1886/71.
The guns are out and I've got dibs on a Pedersoli Premium grade 1886/71 in .45-70 for just under $1500.
Has anybody developed any loads for these guns yet?
NRA & GOA LIFE MEMBER
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I might buy one of these and make a .40-82 on steroids. Sad about the lack of decent .406 bullets, except for Hawk, of course. I'd like a 1/22 twist on a 22" barrel. I was gonna sacrifice a clunker .33 that I stripped down and send the barrel out to be bored to .406 but might wait for the Pedersoli.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
$1650 and they will not be available prior to April 15.6pt-sika wrote:I "suspect" something in the $1400-1600 area .WCF3030 wrote:I like the walnut version. Wonder what the price tag will be.
-
- Levergunner 2.0
- Posts: 120
- Joined: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:21 am
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Can't speak for current stock, but Taylor's had them in their warehouse ready to sell, with the walnut stock, just a few months ago in the Autumn. I handled one, and it was a very nice rifle.
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
I could have a Pedersoli Premium grade in .45-70 in my living room polishing it by this coming Monday afternoon.Martini450 wrote:Can't speak for current stock, but Taylor's had them in their warehouse ready to sell, with the walnut stock, just a few months ago in the Autumn. I handled one, and it was a very nice rifle.
I don't know where April 15 (possibly specific to Cherry's) came from cause the guns have been out & about & on store racks for months.
NRA & GOA LIFE MEMBER
-
- Levergunner 3.0
- Posts: 824
- Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:09 pm
- Location: New Mexico
- Contact:
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
You Sir, are going to be a happy man! Had a chance handle both the standard and the Premium grade at the Shot Show. Very smooth and totally traditional. Pedesoli's quality is second to none.I wouldn't touch the Miroku Japchester 1886/71s cause they're smothered in "Nanny knows best" safety gadgetry (rebounding hammer, tang safety).
The Pedersoli is an honest to goodness "blueprint" unadulterated 1886/71.
The guns are out and I've got dibs on a Pedersoli Premium grade 1886/71 in .45-70 for just under $1500.
As an aside, I noticed the the Premium (case colored frame) grade rifle had a very nasty gouge in the top of the frame just behind the barrel. I asked the gentleman from Pedersoli about it, and he said that it had happened within a half hour of them putting the rifles out for display. Someone came by and vandalized the rifle with a file. They were pretty upset..
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read this in English, thank a Vet!
COMNAVFORV, Vietnam 68-70
NRA Life, SASS Life, Banjo picking done cheap!
Quyana cekneq, Neva
COMNAVFORV, Vietnam 68-70
NRA Life, SASS Life, Banjo picking done cheap!
Quyana cekneq, Neva
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Never could understand vandalism or vandals especially to beautiful objects like that gun musta been.Grizzly Adams wrote:You Sir, are going to be a happy man! Had a chance handle both the standard and the Premium grade at the Shot Show. Very smooth and totally traditional. Pedesoli's quality is second to none.I wouldn't touch the Miroku Japchester 1886/71s cause they're smothered in "Nanny knows best" safety gadgetry (rebounding hammer, tang safety).
The Pedersoli is an honest to goodness "blueprint" unadulterated 1886/71.
The guns are out and I've got dibs on a Pedersoli Premium grade 1886/71 in .45-70 for just under $1500.
As an aside, I noticed the the Premium (case colored frame) grade rifle had a very nasty gouge in the top of the frame just behind the barrel. I asked the gentleman from Pedersoli about it, and he said that it had happened within a half hour of them putting the rifles out for display. Someone came by and vandalized the rifle with a file. They were pretty upset..
I can understand theft because you get to keep something that doesn't belong to you if you don't get caught.
I don't condone theft but it at least makes sense.
Vandals were always an enigma (translation - really weird)
NRA & GOA LIFE MEMBER
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Even better than a Rossi !!!Grizzly Adams wrote:Pedesoli's quality is second to none.I wouldn't touch the Miroku Japchester 1886/71s cause they're smothered in "Nanny knows best" safety gadgetry (rebounding hammer, tang safety).
The Pedersoli is an honest to goodness "blueprint" unadulterated 1886/71.
The guns are out and I've got dibs on a Pedersoli Premium grade 1886/71 in .45-70 for just under $1500.
NRA & GOA LIFE MEMBER
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Maybe those vandals were spies from Winchester/Miroku who envy the fact that Pedersoli's rifle does not have the rebounding hammer and tang safety. Could have been revenge!
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
That "Nanny Knows Best" add-on junk is costing Winchester sales that's for sure.kaschi wrote:Maybe those vandals were spies from Winchester/Miroku who envy the fact that Pedersoli's rifle does not have the rebounding hammer and tang safety. Could have been revenge!
I'd probably own at least a couple of the new Winchesters if it wasn't for the safety infrastructure pollution.
Now I have to go to Pedersoli because they're the only company I know that sells unadulterated model 1886/71s.
There are custom makers like Turnbull Mfg. but the prices are in the stratosphere.
NRA & GOA LIFE MEMBER
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
"Cod. 010S740457 Caliber .45-70 Grooves 6
mm inches
Twist 460 1:18
Barrel's length 610 24
Overall length 1080 42 9/16
kg lbs
Weight 3,700 7.49"
Above data for the Pedersoli M71 (.45-70) copied & pasted right off the Davide Pedersoli website.
Looks to me like a 24" barrel, approx 7.5 pounds, OAL 42 9/16" and a 1 in 18 barrel twist.
mm inches
Twist 460 1:18
Barrel's length 610 24
Overall length 1080 42 9/16
kg lbs
Weight 3,700 7.49"
Above data for the Pedersoli M71 (.45-70) copied & pasted right off the Davide Pedersoli website.
Looks to me like a 24" barrel, approx 7.5 pounds, OAL 42 9/16" and a 1 in 18 barrel twist.
NRA & GOA LIFE MEMBER
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
Got word today from the IFG consortium that includes Pedersoli that the short-barreled camo Boarbuster announced last year is not being imported after all & apparently won't be.
No idea why they announced it or why it's on their website.
Denis
No idea why they announced it or why it's on their website.
Denis
Re: Pedersoli 86/71 in .45-70 and Boarbuster in .444?
That's so weird because IMO they'd probably sell more in the US than all other countries put together, especially without the rebounding hammer and tang safety.