Lets just say I have rifles to go along with my handguns.
Not vice versa.
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Sierra Hotel!!!6pt-sika wrote:madman4570 wrote: For a LEO or someone that really has been there/done that in ready to go all the way(right then/right now)guess it's cool, but also there are many that are paranoid and make them feel far away from when they got their heads put in the toilet in High School making them brave.
Let me start off by saying nothing against any ex cops here or present for that matter . What I'm about to say is based on the majority of the cops I've been around at the local gunclub .
Now then I would say 75% of the local cops I've had the pleasure or displeasure of being around at my local club cannot shoot as well as they would lead one to believe . As a matter of fact that 75% generally shot worse then most of the folks at the club and it wasn't just with handguns .
By my own admission I am no longer what I would call a good pistol/revolver shot . But even with my own admissions I was better then most of these guys .
Now on the other hand I know exactly 5 cops and or excops that can shoot the eyes out of a nat at 15 yards with a revolver or pistol .
These same gentleman are also excellent rifle shots , with one or two being fair to middlin with a shotgun (skeet, trap , birds) .
I might further add these same 5 guys are not always droning on and on about tactical this and defensive shooting that . They are all pretty low keyed about the whole thing which probably makes me like them a good bit more then the other 75% .
Now could this all have to do with the fact that those five fellows are ALL 40+ and the other 75% are mainly under 40 with a good many still being under 30 . Perhaps the fact that they'd not been in the profession that long and had time to mellow was part of the reason they didn't shoot as well and were not always fun to be around .
That said, my Colt 1911 Lt Wt Officer model by Dave Lauck goes with me always. It simply disappears in a proper carry rig. Back up is a Brownchester .45LC Trapper or a Winnie 94 Trapper .30-30 on a "sky rack" in my 4runner.Cruise wrote:Sierra Hotel!!!6pt-sika wrote:madman4570 wrote: For a LEO or someone that really has been there/done that in ready to go all the way(right then/right now)guess it's cool, but also there are many that are paranoid and make them feel far away from when they got their heads put in the toilet in High School making them brave.
Let me start off by saying nothing against any ex cops here or present for that matter . What I'm about to say is based on the majority of the cops I've been around at the local gunclub .
Now then I would say 75% of the local cops I've had the pleasure or displeasure of being around at my local club cannot shoot as well as they would lead one to believe . As a matter of fact that 75% generally shot worse then most of the folks at the club and it wasn't just with handguns .
By my own admission I am no longer what I would call a good pistol/revolver shot . But even with my own admissions I was better then most of these guys .
Now on the other hand I know exactly 5 cops and or excops that can shoot the eyes out of a nat at 15 yards with a revolver or pistol .
These same gentleman are also excellent rifle shots , with one or two being fair to middlin with a shotgun (skeet, trap , birds) .
I might further add these same 5 guys are not always droning on and on about tactical this and defensive shooting that . They are all pretty low keyed about the whole thing which probably makes me like them a good bit more then the other 75% .
Now could this all have to do with the fact that those five fellows are ALL 40+ and the other 75% are mainly under 40 with a good many still being under 30 . Perhaps the fact that they'd not been in the profession that long and had time to mellow was part of the reason they didn't shoot as well and were not always fun to be around .![]()
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I have always found the same. Also, as a former pilot (RVN Forward Air Controller - FAC) it was the same. We used to call them Seagulls!: They walked around a lot and squawked a lot but you had to throw rocks at them to get them to fly! They could tell you when it was going to rain, how hard it was going to rain, but didn't have enough sense to come in out of the rain!!!![]()
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and its a really good thing that most of the criminal element, at least in cities, are even worse shots......guess they don't spend much time at the range, too busy being criminals.Buck Elliott wrote:We used to have an annual, local shoot-out between the Cops (PDs & SO) and the Cowboy Shooters.. It faded into oblivion a few years ago, because the best shooters the Cops could field for the event were no real competition for the CAS waddies.. The result was an undercurrent of negative publicity, and the Cops pulled out, unilaterally.. there were some mumbled excuses about "scheduling conflicts," &c., but the real reasons were plain as a wart on a beauty queen... Most of our sworn defenders can't shoot for sour owl stuff, under the casual pressure of a friendly competition.. Who knows what might happen in "real" life..? It's a good thing our local CAS-men are a law-abiding bunch..!!!
Not for nuthin but I imagine alot more people are victims of violent crime in lower NYS than are victims of animal attacks in Wyoming. Its true we have our share of blowhards, but the fact is if your friend actually acted the way he talks he wouldnt have a permit in NYS. My uncles in Port Chester cant even get a full carry if they wanted one, they are restricted to ranges & hunting.madman4570 wrote:Buck, please don't think for one minute I was meaning anyone on here being paranoid.Buck Elliott wrote:A handgun is my constant companion, and a great comfort wherever I go.. A great many of my friends and neighbors feel and act the same way, which is a Huge reason that crimes against strangers are almost unheard of in these parts.. A crook would have to assume that anyone he didn't know was probably packing.. Not a good choice for a stickup or home invasion or carjacking.. And those activities are virtually unheard of around here..
Does packing a pistol mean I'm paranoid..? Not hardly.. Just the opposite, in fact.. It means I have done a lot of things to keep from being attacked or victimized in some way.. The bad guys are the ones who are paranoid, as they should be..!
If I were to chose to get a concealed carry permit, Wyoming is a 'must issue' state, but state law Recognizes my God-given right, and allows either open or concealed carry Without a permit, as well..
I meant a few guys i worked with(to me seemed paranoid)
I remember taking a coffee break with one and I was saying to him the night before took the wife to a movie and I stopped these two guys from butting in front of us.(he said---"that wouldn't have went well with me cause I am always packing"![]()
I said---dude you going to shoot a couple guys over that or even show your piece or elude to having one????
He said" If I need to"
You have to see where we live(I think the closest city to us was rated the 4th safest city in the US)
Most people in town I know by name!
I just feel weird packing going to the Malls around here(things could change though)???
You,where you live----just the thought of a mountain lion waiting by my car(might be enough for me to strap on daily)
that's not acceptable behavior by anyone whether they have a pistol or a permit or not. Never has been.I stopped these two guys from butting in front of us.(he said---"that wouldn't have went well with me cause I am always packing"![]()
I said---dude you going to shoot a couple guys over that or even show your piece or elude to having one????
He said" If I need to"
I agree. If you are carrying, you should think ahead, and do it before you leave your home, to what you should do in many different scenarios. Some things just don't rise to the level that you should threaten to pull a gun. On the other hand, if the situation demands it, don't hesitate at all. Think about it before you leave home. That person would have probably escalated situation into violence when crowd disapproval might have been enough. I have noticed that yelling, "Hey, no cutting in line!" seems to work well.Idahoser wrote:that's not acceptable behavior by anyone whether they have a pistol or a permit or not. Never has been.I stopped these two guys from butting in front of us.(he said---"that wouldn't have went well with me cause I am always packing"![]()
I said---dude you going to shoot a couple guys over that or even show your piece or elude to having one????
He said" If I need to"
Idahoser wrote:that's not acceptable behavior by anyone whether they have a pistol or a permit or not. Never has been.I stopped these two guys from butting in front of us.(he said---"that wouldn't have went well with me cause I am always packing"![]()
I said---dude you going to shoot a couple guys over that or even show your piece or elude to having one????
He said" If I need to"
Woof, woof!Paladin wrote:I will forever be a sheepdog.
kimwcook wrote:Dang, I thought in Texas you could pretty much do anything with a gun and you were golden.
Leverdude wrote:Seems a simple thing to me. If you can own it you can carry it, end of story.kimwcook wrote:Dang, I thought in Texas you could pretty much do anything with a gun and you were golden.
kimwcook wrote:Leverdude wrote:Seems a simple thing to me. If you can own it you can carry it, end of story.kimwcook wrote:Dang, I thought in Texas you could pretty much do anything with a gun and you were golden.
I wholly agree and it should be nation wide. People don't just stay in their home states, they travel. They should be able to defend them and theirs anywhwere within the nation. Why we as a people don't push this agenda hard until it's law is beyond me. Now, I know recently there's been legislation to that end, but it's not done yet as far as I know. I'm an LEO and I believe it to be more than common sense. Without it we just turn legal citizens into criminals all for protecting themselves.