Double action revolver Range trip - finally

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Double action revolver Range trip - finally

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Recently, i purchased a couple of new (to me) revolvers -- a SW 66 and a Colt LAwman in nickel plate
almost 3 weeks later, i finally got a chance to drag them down to a local indoor range to give them a whirl
I dislike shooting there as there is no practical way to do any bench shooting and offhand is the only way to go, --- but my outdoor range is 30 miles away and i only had a limited amount of time ---

After a cylinder full of "get aquainted" rounds and to make sure there weren't any timing issues or anything, i set the targets at 20 yards (10 yards for my Det Special though) ammo was 158 gr 357 SP's (except for the Det Spl of course)

I know the Smith K frames are wildly popular, but i was the least satisfied with its performance -- albeit, this photo shows 6 headshots at 20 yards, they seem to be all over the map and it just wasn't very comfortable to shoot --- later, when doing some double action work, i just about got the thing to double on me as i was staging the trigger like a Colt --- (i was staging the trigger and it completely surprised me when it went off, - the recoil triggered another one a split second later -- first one hit chest area where i was aiming and the second hit the silhouette in the face ---would have been a cool double tap if it was intentional , but that was not the case)

the group below for the 66 is single action :oops: :oops: -- you guys dont want to see the D-A "group"

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The Lawman gave me some decent double action groups and gave me the best single action groups of the day - (but i regrettably did not get a good photo of those ) These are both DA groups
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I guess the reason i like the nickel Lawman so well is because this parkerized model has been my "go to" 357 for 15 years -- great group size for me shooting offhand (although i was aiming at the "8" 1.5" to the right of the group ) - this is a single action group , DA was on par with the nickel plated gun
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As mentioned, i shot the Det Special DA at approximately 10 yards -- i was aiming at the line between the 7 and 8 right in the chest zone of the target -- i can't expect any better than this with me behind the wheel

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I am overall disappointed with my experience with the model 66, but i am not going to write it off just yet. The trigger is a whole different animal than the Colts and i was trying to shoot it like a Colt (staging the trigger slightly to get better DA accuracy) -- i wasn't that crazy about the single action accuracy either, especially when compared to the crude sights on the big fixed sighted Colts --- ultimately i mainly think it is the small grips that are doing it to me and i am not getting as secure and repeatable a hold as i am with my Colts --- i would like to try the Jordan Trooper style grip and see if that works out any better.
Also i will take it to the range by itself someday and leave the Colts at home --- having them in the same gear bag is like going on a double date (my version of double dating is having a date with 2 separate women on the same night :o :oops: :P potentially entertaining, but also potentially catastrophic at the same time)

K Frame "getting aquainted" issues aside, it was nice to hit the range :D

and any one of these fine revolvers is more than accurate enough to defend my life with if things ever get that bad 8) -- truthfully i shouldn't be expecting too much more than this with service grade revolvers -- but i feel the Smith has more potential than it showed today
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your ventilators work just fine...nice shooting...and shooters
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RIHMFIRE wrote:your ventilators work just fine...nice shooting...and shooters
Thanks Rihmfire ! I would not try to bag a buck with them outside of 25 or 30 yards, but i'm okay with the Colt's single action accuracy for the most part (but will re-visit the Smith when i get some bigger grips -- there is a huge difference in the lumber size from my beloved Colts to the K-Frame . Even a set of regular target grips would fill my hand better than whats on it )


your reference to "ventilators" brings up another interesting point ---- what are some other nicknames and acronyms given to sixguns , either from the old western period or from 70's/80's cop movies?
"HEaters" and "Roscoes" come to mind as bad cop movie slang
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Streetstar wrote: ultimately i mainly think it is the small grips that are doing it to me and i am not getting as secure and repeatable a hold as i am with my Colts --- i would like to try the Jordan Trooper style grip and see if that works out any better.
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Streetstar wrote:
RIHMFIRE wrote:your ventilators work just fine...nice shooting...and shooters
Thanks Rihmfire ! I would not try to bag a buck with them outside of 25 or 30 yards, but i'm okay with the Colt's single action accuracy for the most part (but will re-visit the Smith when i get some bigger grips -- there is a huge difference in the lumber size from my beloved Colts to the K-Frame . Even a set of regular target grips would fill my hand better than whats on it )


your reference to "ventilators" brings up another interesting point ---- what are some other nicknames and acronyms given to sixguns , either from the old western period or from 70's/80's cop movies?
"HEaters" and "Roscoes" come to mind as bad cop movie slang
I did not like the little grips S&W put on those shooters either.....
I made the mistake of trading my k for other stuff and then
ended up with 686 and 629 with hogues and pacs
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Doug: That's some fine double action work. For what it's worth, I could never accomplish anything with a K-frame Smith in .357. Just too much blast and recoil. I did better with the big N-frame Model 28, but the N-frame doesn't fit me well either.
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Notice the grips on that 66 vs the grips on the Colts. At the bare minimum, I need a Tyler grip adapter to shoot a Smith with factory Magna grips worth a hoot. I prefer and fit my Smiths with larger target style stocks like your Colts.

With a handgun, the principal point of contact with your body is the shooting hand, and grips on that handgun do make a big difference! This is particularly true when shooting off hand. Get some good grips on that 66 and your opinion will change.
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Very nice guns, and if I was a bad guy I wouldn't want you shooting at me! :wink:
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Charles wrote:Notice the grips on that 66 vs the grips on the Colts. At the bare minimum, I need a Tyler grip adapter to shoot a Smith with factory Magna grips worth a hoot. I prefer and fit my Smiths with larger target style stocks like your Colts.

With a handgun, the principal point of contact with your body is the shooting hand, and grips on that handgun do make a big difference! This is particularly true when shooting off hand. Get some good grips on that 66 and your opinion will change.
I agree, the Magnas are way too small for me, I prefer the larger factory Targets and have them on all of my Smiths except my M66. I bought it with the rubber finger groove Hogues (bottom pic), it feels good and shoots good with them but I'm not a fan of the looks of rubber grips.

The wood ones in the first pic below are some that I made and work ok but only until I can find a pair of factory (wood) finger grooves that I am willing to pay for.

Streetstar, as Charles said, if you find the right grips your M66 should be a good shooter.

Oh, and don't pay any attention to the dashboard in the background of the bottom pic, there is rarely any other traffic on those western KS roads.

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Re: Double action revolver Range trip - finally

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Nice wheelguns! 8)

I've had very good luck with a set of Pachmyr grips on
my Model 66. The stock ones seem a bit too small for
my hands, and accuracy with regards to windage
particularly seems to suffer.

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Re: Double action revolver Range trip - finally

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The Hogues in rubber or wood work well.


Friend of mine has a 2.5" nickel Model 19 (NOT a 66, though it looks like one) with a trigger job.

DA is around 3.5lb and SA is six ounces.

I guarantee K-frames can shoot well, but his is the nicest i've ever handled trigger-wise. Even better than a factory Python (and i've shot six over 30 years of production time).

Give it a little time.
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Re: Double action revolver Range trip - finally

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I've not shot a K frame, but I'm totally pleased with the Ahrend's grips on my N frame.
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