OT- AR15 6.8 SPC

[6pt-sika]

I've been gravitating back and fourth about getting myself an AR in this cartridge !

I "had" been pretty satisfied with the idea of getting a plain old Stag Arms Model 7 scope it and be done with it !

But a friend of mine has built one AR with a pair of uppers in 223 and 6.8 SPC . Both his uppers came from Dan Cary .

I had been sort of in on the ground floor of him ordering the 6.8 SPC upper so was intrested when he recieved it week before last . And I just happened to be at the range the day he took it out for a "test drive" !

My friend loads at the range so loads can change fairly easily !

Anyway he was getting 5 shot 100 yards groups of less then 1" that first day !
And that was with deer class bullets !
The Nosler Accubond , Barnes TSX and Sierra Game King .

Cary's webpage is ,

http://www.careycustomrifleco.com/index.html

Now I need to find a lower and get a decent trigger to slip in it !
And of course scrape up $825 to pay Mr. Carey for one of his fine fluted uppers !

Think I want a 22" Sporter weight barrel .

[pwl44m]

That's what is nice about the AR platform, so many options if U stay with the small cals. A freind sent Me a message today that He has an Upper for sale,didn't say what Caliber so anxious to talk to Him.
I have seriously considered that 6.8, just haven't made the plunge.

[6pt-sika]

I sighted in several for customers and friends with factory ammo and they were okay but not great !

I figured the Stag 7 with handloads would be pretty good . But after seeing my friend shoot his Carey 6.8 upper I was very impressed !

[BenT]

First run of 6.8 SPC were 1 in 10 twist . They then went to 1 in 11 for better accuracy. I think it was Rifle magazine that had the article on this. So do some research on the advantages of which twist.

[6pt-sika]

Carey does his at 1-11 and I've seen what the bullets I'd choose do in one of his barrels already . So theirs no need for twist investigation .

[pwl44m]

That's what is nice about the AR platform, so many options if U stay with the small cals. A freind sent Me a message today that He has an Upper for sale,didn't say what Caliber so anxious to talk to Him.
I have seriously considered that 6.8, just haven't made the plunge.

Bummer, it is 223. DPMS flat top -16 in barrel,Flip up sights,Daniel Defense quad Rail ($600) more than I want to spend for another 223, I have 7 .

[tomtex]

Is the 6.8 , the best we can do in a M-16 for combat?

[6pt-sika]

Is the 6.8 , the best we can do in a M-16 for combat?

If I get one in all likelyhood the only thing it'll be shot at will be PAPER or DEER

[awp101]

Is the 6.8 , the best we can do in a M-16 for combat?

Without going to a .308 based lower, it's pretty close.

The 6.5 Grendel is similar and has longer legs with a better b/c but I keep thinking the SpecOps units who tested it still preferred the 6.8 (which just happened to be a SpecOps creation ).

[Alloy Snake]

I really like my 6.8spc,Very accurate and lots of knock down power.Just orderd a second upper in 6.8-With a Wilson 18inch stainless barrel spc2 chamber and 1.11 twist.One range report from a guy that bought one of these was 2.5 inch groups---At 300 yards.Not bad for $415.00 shipped complete.

[piller]

I might just start saving up for an upper for my UBR in 6.8 spc. I have seen several websites where I can buy the complete upper, magazines, and bolt. It should be very simple to change out. I am still interested in the 6.8, but am still hesitant.

[awp101]

I am still interested in the 6.8, but am still hesitant.

Even if it's dropped for some reason, components should be easy to find. IIRC it uses the same bullets as the .270 and I THINK cases can be formed from another caliber but don't hold me to that...

Basically anytime the 6.8 is asked about on a particular modern weapon forum I frequent, the target and long range hunters/target shooters say 6.5 Grendel and the normal range hunters, end timers and non-target shooters say 6.8SPC.

[Les Staley]

Just to muddy the water a bit... received my 6X45 upper Friday, had a few handloads ready for it.. wind died down Sat. morning to let me shoot a group at 103 yds , three shots completely covered by a dime.. 75 gr Vmax Hornady with 25 gr Benchmark.. will try some 90 gr partitions later,, should be good to go for deer and antelope.. Les

[awp101]

Just to muddy the water a bit... received my 6X45 upper Friday

That's another that catches my fancy...

[6pt-sika]

Basically anytime the 6.8 is asked about on a particular modern weapon forum I frequent, the target and long range hunters/target shooters say 6.5 Grendel and the normal range hunters, end timers and non-target shooters say 6.8SPC.

Besides my friend that just got the Carey 6.8 complete upper another mutual friend recieved a week or so before a 6.5 Grendel complete upper from Carey as well . From what I'm hearing from these two (in this instance only) the Carey 6.8 is by far outshooting the Carey 6.5 Grendel . The guy with the 6.8 is a long time bench shooter/law enforecement person and the guy with the 6.5 was a former decent 1000 yard BR shooter . So we can eliminate the "normal" shooter error factor from the outcome with both these uppers .

My own personal take on this thing is this . While I am a BIG 6.5mm fan I am also a big fan of brass . So for me with a brass loosing proposition like an AR I'm going with the one (between these two) that the brass is cheaper and more readily available . Hence my at the moment preference for the 6.8 SPC . And while loosing brass at the range can be controlled I am more bothered by the loss in the hunting field as I am not to terribly intrested in hanging a brass catcher on the side of the rifle in the deer woods .

Now most of you guys are intrested in this stuff as PEOPLE KILLERS , my sole intrest in these things is for paper targets and shooting deer nothing more nothing less .

[crs]

My son and a friend just shot their first outdoor targets with a new DPMS 6.5 Creedmore and all 5 shot groups were 1" or under. Of course they sighted it in indoors at 25 and 50 yards before heading to a friends ranch range for longer ranges. They had to handload due to lack of factory ammo and it worked out very well for them.
They also broke-in our new RSI chronograph with the Creedmore, a DPMS with .458 Socom upper, a Remington .308, and some other rifles and it worked fine also.
Needless to say, they are very pleased.

[6pt-sika]

My son and a friend just shot their first outdoor targets with a new DPMS 6.5 Creedmore and all 5 shot groups were 1" or under.

I wouldn't mind the 6.5 Creedmore in a Ruger #1A

[tomtex]

Basically anytime the 6.8 is asked about on a particular modern weapon forum I frequent, the target and long range hunters/target shooters say 6.5 Grendel and the normal range hunters, end timers and non-target shooters say 6.8SPC.

Besides my friend that just got the Carey 6.8 complete upper another mutual friend recieved a week or so before a 6.5 Grendel complete upper from Carey as well . From what I'm hearing from these two (in this instance only) the Carey 6.8 is by far outshooting the Carey 6.5 Grendel . The guy with the 6.8 is a long time bench shooter/law enforecement person and the guy with the 6.5 was a former decent 1000 yard BR shooter . So we can eliminate the "normal" shooter error factor from the outcome with both these uppers .

My own personal take on this thing is this . While I am a BIG 6.5mm fan I am also a big fan of brass . So for me with a brass loosing proposition like an AR I'm going with the one (between these two) that the brass is cheaper and more readily available . Hence my at the moment preference for the 6.8 SPC . And while loosing brass at the range can be controlled I am more bothered by the loss in the hunting field as I am not to terribly intrested in hanging a brass catcher on the side of the rifle in the deer woods .

Now most of you guys are intrested in this stuff as PEOPLE KILLERS , my sole intrest in these things is for paper targets and shooting deer nothing more nothing less .

Try the 6.8 from a 16 "barrel ,as the Army did (no better than the 5.56mm), thats why it was stooped by out military for issue. The 6.5 Grendel is much better from a 16' barrel. Note: the 6.8 was tested in a 20 barrel, but our military has changed to a 16 inch barrel now. With the new DoD cutbacks. Our Infantry are up Custers Creek, with the 5.56 mm?

[6pt-sika]

Basically anytime the 6.8 is asked about on a particular modern weapon forum I frequent, the target and long range hunters/target shooters say 6.5 Grendel and the normal range hunters, end timers and non-target shooters say 6.8SPC.

Besides my friend that just got the Carey 6.8 complete upper another mutual friend recieved a week or so before a 6.5 Grendel complete upper from Carey as well . From what I'm hearing from these two (in this instance only) the Carey 6.8 is by far outshooting the Carey 6.5 Grendel . The guy with the 6.8 is a long time bench shooter/law enforecement person and the guy with the 6.5 was a former decent 1000 yard BR shooter . So we can eliminate the "normal" shooter error factor from the outcome with both these uppers .

My own personal take on this thing is this . While I am a BIG 6.5mm fan I am also a big fan of brass . So for me with a brass loosing proposition like an AR I'm going with the one (between these two) that the brass is cheaper and more readily available . Hence my at the moment preference for the 6.8 SPC . And while loosing brass at the range can be controlled I am more bothered by the loss in the hunting field as I am not to terribly intrested in hanging a brass catcher on the side of the rifle in the deer woods .

Now most of you guys are intrested in this stuff as PEOPLE KILLERS , my sole intrest in these things is for paper targets and shooting deer nothing more nothing less .

Try the 6.8 from a 16 "barrel ,as the Army did (no better than the 5.56mm), thats why it was stooped by out military for issue. The 6.5 Grendel is much better from a 16' barrel. Note: the 6.8 was tested in a 20 barrel, but our military has changed to a 16 inch barrel now. With the new DoD cutbacks. Our Infantry are up Custers Creek, with the 5.56 mm?

Obviuousely you didn't get what I've said in several posts !
Matter of fact read the line above your post from your quote of my post ! It says it all right there .

I don't want a para military gun !
I want one with a longer barrel for hunting .
I could really care less what the military uses because I don't use it in that fashion .

[COSteve]

Basically anytime the 6.8 is asked about on a particular modern weapon forum I frequent, the target and long range hunters/target shooters say 6.5 Grendel and the normal range hunters, end timers and non-target shooters say 6.8SPC.

Besides my friend that just got the Carey 6.8 complete upper another mutual friend recieved a week or so before a 6.5 Grendel complete upper from Carey as well . From what I'm hearing from these two (in this instance only) the Carey 6.8 is by far outshooting the Carey 6.5 Grendel . The guy with the 6.8 is a long time bench shooter/law enforecement person and the guy with the 6.5 was a former decent 1000 yard BR shooter . So we can eliminate the "normal" shooter error factor from the outcome with both these uppers .

My own personal take on this thing is this . While I am a BIG 6.5mm fan I am also a big fan of brass . So for me with a brass loosing proposition like an AR I'm going with the one (between these two) that the brass is cheaper and more readily available . Hence my at the moment preference for the 6.8 SPC . And while loosing brass at the range can be controlled I am more bothered by the loss in the hunting field as I am not to terribly intrested in hanging a brass catcher on the side of the rifle in the deer woods .

Now most of you guys are intrested in this stuff as PEOPLE KILLERS , my sole intrest in these things is for paper targets and shooting deer nothing more nothing less .

Try the 6.8 from a 16 "barrel ,as the Army did (no better than the 5.56mm), thats why it was stooped by out military for issue. The 6.5 Grendel is much better from a 16' barrel. Note: the 6.8 was tested in a 20 barrel, but our military has changed to a 16 inch barrel now. With the new DoD cutbacks. Our Infantry are up Custers Creek, with the 5.56 mm?

Obviuousely you didn't get what I've said in several posts !
Matter of fact read the line above your post from your quote of my post ! It says it all right there .

I don't want a para military gun !
I want one with a longer barrel for hunting .
I could really care less what the military uses because I don't use it in that fashion .

I think you've got your calibers backwards. I'm honestly not a fan of either but all the ballistic information available points to the 6.8 SPC as a better choice as a closer range caliber in a shorter barrel while the 6.5 Grendel, with it's superior BC works better at long range through a longer barrel, cost of brass notwithstanding.

[Streetstar]

. And while loosing brass at the range can be controlled I am more bothered by the loss in the hunting field as I am not to terribly intrested in hanging a brass catcher on the side of the rifle in the deer woods .
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3-4 pieces of brass a year maybe? --- work up to maybe 3-400 pieces of brass and the problem is solved

i got steamed when i lost 2 pieces of 45-70 brass a couple of years ago too , though i know how it goes

[olyinaz]

I don't want a para military gun!
I want one with a longer barrel for hunting.
I could really care less what the military uses because I don't use it in that fashion.

I'm sure you'll enjoy a 6.8 for sure, but out of a longer barrel in a hunting rig I think that the 6.5 outperforms. The case is larger for more powder capacity and you know well that 6.5mm bullet selection is outstanding these days.

There are also some folks making AR-15 uppers in the Winchester Super Short Magnum chamberings these days. For hunting, the .224 WSSM and .25 WSSM sound like real winners to me!

And lastly, if you are looking for even more punch than the 6.8 SPC there's Remington's new .30 RAR chambering.

I'm thinking about one of these uppers myself, and it's obviously a personal taste thing but honestly the 6.8 SPC is at the bottom of my list because all of these other chambering are more interesting to me for various reasons.

Best,
Oly

[6pt-sika]

There are also some folks making AR-15 uppers in the Winchester Super Short Magnum chamberings these days. For hunting, the .224 WSSM and .25 WSSM sound like real winners to me!

Oly

I have another friend here that has an AR in 243 WSSM . That came from "Dedicated Technology".

Their webpage ,

http://www.dtechsuperstore.com/new_wssm.htm

My budds AR in 243 WSSM shoots very nicely and they have killed a dozen or so deer with it . However to me the brass factor is the same as the Grendel .

[Les Staley]

Here's my take on it... sneak in a little closer (it's called HUNTING ) and shoot 'em with a 6X45 and fagitaboutthebrass... one pass through a Redding die makes cheap-affordable-never-ending-supply of 5.56X45 or 223 brass into a handy accurate deer/antelope/coyote/pdog/ground squirrel/easiest wildcat of all time.... IMO..... Les

[olyinaz]

My budds AR in 243 WSSM shoots very nicely and they have killed a dozen or so deer with it . However to me the brass factor is the same as the Grendel .

Not sure what you mean? Is 6.8mm brass really that much less expensive than 6.5mm Grendel brass?

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=250049

Ammo seems easy to come by too.

Those WSSM uppers are just flat out cool but I like the fact that 6.5 Grendel uppers are easily sourced from many makers.

Regards,
Oly

[olyinaz]

Here's my take on it... sneak in a little closer (it's called HUNTING ) and shoot 'em with a 6X45 and fagitaboutthebrass... one pass through a Redding die makes cheap-affordable-never-ending-supply of 5.56X45 or 223 brass into a handy accurate deer/antelope/coyote/pdog/ground squirrel/easiest wildcat of all time.... IMO..... Les

Well you have a point there! Super cheap and easy to come by brass for sure.

Oly

[6pt-sika]

Here's my take on it... sneak in a little closer (it's called HUNTING ) and shoot 'em with a 6X45 and fagitaboutthebrass... one pass through a Redding die makes cheap-affordable-never-ending-supply of 5.56X45 or 223 brass into a handy accurate deer/antelope/coyote/pdog/ground squirrel/easiest wildcat of all time.... IMO..... Les

that cartridge doesn't intrest me .

No need for me to sneak , I sit up in a tree and let them walk by

[6pt-sika]

I just got a new report from my firend with the 6.8 Carey upper !

He and our friend with the 6.5 Grendel Carey made upper were shooting a couple days ago and the the 6.5 made 3 three shot groups at 100 yards that were .1" to .25" . He changed from 120 grain bullets to 100 grainers !

Best my friends gotten with his 6.8 is .65" I think but thats for 5 shots .