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I remember reading about that buff hunt. The PH stated that he has never seen a buff bleed out as quickly. After reading the NY Times through that hole I can see why .
John
I guess my Guide Gun would seem like childs play compared to this thing. Imagine how much meat you might enjoy, or would there be any left?, if you shot a deer in the hind quarters with that behemoth?
To hell with them fellas, buzzards gotta eat same as the worms.
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I just wonder how bad it is to shoot? I can not see it being all that bad. Them slugs won't be megger quick surely! Might just be a flaming good shove instead of a good kick'n!
Nath.
[The 4 Bore] could potentially inflict permanent nerve damage to the hunter if fired too frequently in rapid succession. The huge lead slugs created massive wounds, but frequently failed to penetrate to the vital organs of their intended game animal--the elephant. Anecdotal evidence from this period suggests that elephant, were on occasion, shot a dozen times or more during running gun battles closer to an all-out war than a hunt. The animals eventually bled to death, but managed to take the occasional hunter with them. The massive soft, lead slugs weighed 1,882 grains and had a very large frontal surface. The calibers generally ran in the .890" range, +/.010". These large slugs, traveling at a modest 1,330 fps propelled by 12 drams of black powder, generated 7,400 ft-lbs of muzzle energy and created tremendous wounds, but the bullets deformed quickly and slowed down dramatically when striking large bones. Still, it was a formidable weapon and one wonders how many failures were due to poor shot placement caused by the hunter flinching.
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Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
Met a guy that had a 400 nitro double rifle and every year on the Fourth of July he'd touch both those bbl.'s off at the same time. He said he was gonna have to quit. He was getting too old and the nose bleed was lasting too long.
Aw heck you guys are wusses. I shot a bunch of rounds through one of them when I was in the Army, but they kept calling it a grenade launcher, and it, too, was a break action
Seems odd to me they would have barrels that short on such a gun.
Would seem the trick would be to remain upright and keep gun in your hands.
I read of an old-time African hunter (Zelous?) who had a faulty 4 bore. He shot at an elephant and both barrels went off. He landed in a thorn bush and the gun went sailing over his head. Expect Capstick might have been the teller of this story.
handirifle wrote:Aw heck you guys are wusses. I shot a bunch of rounds through one of them when I was in the Army, but they kept calling it a grenade launcher, and it, too, was a break action
Nuthin more than a gentle push.
Yep I have shot a few of those myself, however, I think the grenade launcher is at about 500 fps instead of 1800.
That gun is just plain ugly. No class at all , not like a sweet little 20ga. or 28ga double. But, I guess what can one do with a bore that big? the gun can`t be slim and sweet.
My older brother built a 2 bore flintlock muzzleloader a few years ago. It was quite a novelty and always drew a crowd when he brought it to one of our local black powder rendezvous. It was not allowed for competition (something about damaging the metal targets?), but we shot it at stumps and into creek banks just for fun.
The gun weighs just over 23 lbs. A 200 grain charge of Fg was just about right. I shot it twice with a 300 grain charge. That took the "n" out of "fun". Torque and recoil was substantial!
Unfortunately my brother suffered a heart attack and passed away last spring. I may have an opportunity to purchase the gun, but I really don't know that it would be money well spent. Beyond the novelty factor there just isn't much call for that kind of firepower!
Here's a couple pictures of my brother with the gun.
Shasta
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The expanded hunk of lead is amazing, I was studying the pictures trying to figure out if it was a photoshop effort looking at the wrist of the stock, I guess it is real and amazing! I would decline to even try it and I used to be a 13B Field Arty type shooting 98lb HE rounds, but they were off of a many ton SP M109A3. That takes a real man! I would have to take my chance with my .458 Win Mag but could not, even close, equal the "cool" factor of a 4 bore!!!
FWiedner wrote:OK, call me a wuss, but I just cringe at the thought of the felt recoil from such a firearm.
I'd have to have it swivel mounted on a vehicle, and crew-served.
OK...wuss. Cut-down Mad Max-style, it would make for a dandy hideout
(Sorry, couldn't help it. ) I doubt I'd touch it off either. Noticing the sling that porter had to carry it - perhaps the weight would tame it somewhat. Like getting hit by pro linebacker while wearing pads instead of without. Maybe, if on safari you could pay the porter to shoot it also
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I don't remember the details but it seems that some adventurers (without experience in Africa) went to Africa and one of them decided to shoot a Buff. He had a muzzle loader that threw a big chunk of lead, he got close to a buff and put a big hole in the buff's shoulder. The buff stood there looking at him, with the big hole plainly visible, and decided to chase the human and stomp him into the ground. So the adventurer is running away from the buff and all the time trying to dig out another big lead slug from his pocket and reload. So apparently some of the big guys are somewhat immune to big holes, at least the first one.
Bell began his exploits with a 6.5mm Mannlicher. Before he died he said that if he were starting over he would probably use the .308. I suspect it was not due to any advantage of the caliber but because of the commonness and availability of ammo. Bell himself proved that the size of the gun is not what determines success/failure.
handirifle wrote:Aw heck you guys are wusses. I shot a bunch of rounds through one of them when I was in the Army, but they kept calling it a grenade launcher, and it, too, was a break action
Nuthin more than a gentle push.
Yep I have shot a few of those myself, however, I think the grenade launcher is at about 500 fps instead of 1800.
Somewhere out there is a video of a couple of guys firing off a 4 bore wall gun. It's pretty cool.
I for one would love to try shooting either that 2 or the 4... after my Medical deductable was paid up of course...
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