Quite Intresting , Chippa Firearms 1886 in 444 Marlin

[6pt-sika]

I've never owned a 1886 Winchester but this new knockoff may very well change that !

Since I'm already set up to the max for the 444 Marlin cartridge one of these Chippa 1886's chambered for the 444 round just might be the way to go !

Would have to be in the longer barreled rifle though !

Here's a link !

http://www.chiappafirearms.com/products/78

[J Miller]

Interesting. Unless I'm mistaken (quite possible) this would also be the first incarnation of the 1886 chambered for a modern cartridge.

Joe

[6pt-sika]

Interesting. Unless I'm mistaken (quite possible) this would also be the first incarnation of the 1886 chambered for a modern cartridge.

Joe

Yeah I think you are correct .

I'm thinking this will be a good one for me to use a peep sight and a moderate velocity cast bullet !

That semi crescent buttplate won't be overly forgiving I am sure !

[6pt-sika]

To be honest I'd rather have this in a Marlin 1895CB chambered for 444 . But we all know thats very unlikely since Cerebus took control of Marlin !

[2X22]

To be honest I'd rather have this in a Marlin 1895CB chambered for 444 .

+1!!

2x22

[Mike D.]

Don't you mean a 336 chambered in .444 M? Marlin stopped making the 1895 some 93 years ago.

[KirkD]

Glory be!! They are making an '86 carbine!!

[RIHMFIRE]

always wanted a 444.....and in a 86 no less....and a carbine too....

[pdawg.shooter]

Don't you mean a 336 chambered in .444 M? Marlin stopped making the 1895 some 93 years ago.

Guess my 1895G is way older than I thought!

[Mike D.]

I'm talking about the REAL 1895 Marlin, not the 336 version brought out in 1962. Marlin made the 1895 from that year until 1917. It was a big handsome gun that was produced in many of the same calibers as the 1886 Winchester. Regardless of caliber they all had "Special Smokeless Steel" barrels, Marlin's answer to Winchester's "Nickel Steel". I saw a beautiful 1895 SRC in .40-82 at the last Reno Show and I was sorely tempted.

[Mike D.]

Kirk, if the price drops to a reasonable level I might pick one of those carbines up for a .50-110 conversion.

[IridiumRed]

I was pretty interested in that Chiappa 1886, until I saw the price tag. $1,399 Retail??

I dont know what the quality level is on these, could be good, could be bad, I just dont know. But I doubt it could be better than the Miroku / Japanese 1886s for Browning..... and for that kinda price I'd rather have one of the Miroku's....

I guess if I just had to have a 444 Marlin 1886, it might be a different story.

On a side note, any idea of the barrel twist they'll use for the 444? Wonder if it will be fast or slow twist?

[6pt-sika]

I'm talking about the REAL 1895 Marlin, not the 336 version brought out in 1962. Marlin made the 1895 from that year until 1917. It was a big handsome gun that was produced in many of the same calibers as the 1886 Winchester. Regardless of caliber they all had "Special Smokeless Steel" barrels, Marlin's answer to Winchester's "Nickel Steel". I saw a beautiful 1895 SRC in .40-82 at the last Reno Show and I was sorely tempted.

Get your dates right !

Yes the "original" 1895 ceased production in 1917 .

But the first 336 was made in 1948 , the first 444 was made in 1964 and the 336 version 1895 as you refer to it was brought out in 1972 .

I owned several of the Original 1895's and shot them all !
You are correct in that they were handsome rifles .

[KirkD]

I was pretty interested in that Chiappa 1886, until I saw the price tag. $1,399 Retail??

Compared to the price of an original 1886, $1,399 is dirt cheap.

[Old Time Hunter]

I was pretty interested in that Chiappa 1886, until I saw the price tag. $1,399 Retail??

Compared to the price of an original 1886, $1,399 is dirt cheap.

Good point! I'll bet that a .444 cartridge shoots really sweet out a '86....like the carbine.

[6pt-sika]

I was pretty interested in that Chiappa 1886, until I saw the price tag. $1,399 Retail??

Compared to the price of an original 1886, $1,399 is dirt cheap.

Good point! I'll bet that a .444 cartridge shoots really sweet out a '86....like the carbine.

While I understand everyone has a preference !

"If" I do purchase one of these it will have to be in the longer octagon barreled rifle version . I never have been a big follower of round barreled original or retro rifles .

[6pt-sika]

I was pretty interested in that Chiappa 1886, until I saw the price tag. $1,399 Retail??

On a side note, any idea of the barrel twist they'll use for the 444? Wonder if it will be fast or slow twist?

I expect the price from your local dealer will be in the $1050 to 1100 range .

While I do not know what the rate of twist is in one of these guns I do know when they took them on a buffalo hunt last year they were shooting the Hornady Leverevolution ammo . So I would "assume" it's probably quicker then the old Micro Groove 1-36 and more then likely in the 1-20 to 1-24 area .

[Malamute]

Actually, that would be a fairly small cartridge in that size action, the 45-70 doesnt look very big in the action, there's plenty of room to seat 500 gr bullets out to 45-90 OAL.

[TMair]

I was pretty interested in that Chiappa 1886, until I saw the price tag. $1,399 Retail??

I dont know what the quality level is on these, could be good, could be bad, I just dont know. But I doubt it could be better than the Miroku / Japanese 1886s for Browning..... and for that kinda price I'd rather have one of the Miroku's....

I guess if I just had to have a 444 Marlin 1886, it might be a different story.

On a side note, any idea of the barrel twist they'll use for the 444? Wonder if it will be fast or slow twist?

I was thinking that the Chiappas looked pretty good so I did some digging, on other boards they where saying that there are a lot of problems with them, don't know if it is true, or if it is just early production ones, I would have thought they would have all the bugs worked out of them before putting them on the market...but that's just me.
Terry

[Mike D.]

I'm talking about the REAL 1895 Marlin, not the 336 version brought out in 1962. Marlin made the 1895 from that year until 1917. It was a big handsome gun that was produced in many of the same calibers as the 1886 Winchester. Regardless of caliber they all had "Special Smokeless Steel" barrels, Marlin's answer to Winchester's "Nickel Steel". I saw a beautiful 1895 SRC in .40-82 at the last Reno Show and I was sorely tempted.

Get your dates right !

Yes the "original" 1895 ceased production in 1917 .

But the first 336 was made in 1948 , the first 444 was made in 1964 and the 336 version 1895 as you refer to it was brought out in 1972 .

I owned several of the Original 1895's and shot them all !
You are correct in that they were handsome rifles .

Ah, so I can't type and missed a number.

[6pt-sika]

I'm talking about the REAL 1895 Marlin, not the 336 version brought out in 1962. Marlin made the 1895 from that year until 1917. It was a big handsome gun that was produced in many of the same calibers as the 1886 Winchester. Regardless of caliber they all had "Special Smokeless Steel" barrels, Marlin's answer to Winchester's "Nickel Steel". I saw a beautiful 1895 SRC in .40-82 at the last Reno Show and I was sorely tempted.

Get your dates right !

Yes the "original" 1895 ceased production in 1917 .

But the first 336 was made in 1948 , the first 444 was made in 1964 and the 336 version 1895 as you refer to it was brought out in 1972 .

I owned several of the Original 1895's and shot them all !
You are correct in that they were handsome rifles .

Ah, so I can't type and missed a number.

If thats what you want to say .

[olyinaz]

Chiappa's fit and finish is lovely - this rifle will likely be a looker. I've heard that some Chiappas have had issues but my model 1892 works just fine. What I'd suggest is that one ask their dealer to get their rifle from Davidson's because they have a no muss, no fuss exchange warranty and that's what you want when the factory is back in Italy.

Look, if you get a good one it should be just fine. Chiappa has yet to earn the reputation that Uberti has, but they're not like the Chaparral rifles that seem to garner more negative reports than positive. Based on my experience with my 1892 I wouldn't hesitate to buy an 1886 if I were in the market for something like that.

Regards,
Oly

[Sarge]

That is something... back when the .44 was my go-to sixgun round, I wished for a 'traditional' .444 so I could use the same bullets. I wouldn't buy one these days but I'm still glad to see them in production.

[KWK]

When I saw that .444 listing a while back, I looked up the European pressure rating on the .444 and found it's the same as the .257 Roberts. The 117 RN bullets should work out about right. The trajectory is nice, but at the long ranges the low BC would make wind drift a concern. Food for thought...

[AJMD429]

It might be nice to have a .444 Marlin set up with:

• a fast enough twist for long bullets, and
  a long enough action that you could seat them normally and they still function

If it has both those advantages over the Marlin, and is strong enough for hot modern loads, what's not to like...?