WAY OT: UFO SIGHTING

[Old Savage]

The most challenging position from a logic point of view is saying what isn't.

[kirkwood]

Ganji, I probably believe the same things you do. The "Star" that stopped over Bethlehem obviously wasn't a star in the sky - they don't stop over anything. Whatever they followed in the desert was a cloud by day and pillar of fire by night. That doesn't attach to anything that we can identify. The Baptists I know tend to attribute anything unidentifiable like this now to works of the devil or the like. Doesn't make sense to me where they draw this conclusion from the scriptures. I think there is something there that we can't determine.

I agree with you that the Bible speaks clearly to those of faith.

The Maji were Zoroastrian priest-astronomers (actually more like astrologers) from the East (in present day Iran) who were highly adept at predicting the positions of planets based on early astronomical calenders. The Star of Bethelehem is believed to have been a rare conjunction of the planets Saturn and Jupiter in the constellation Pisces. Pisces the fish was a symbol associated with the Jews by the Zoroastrians and later adopted as a Christian symbol by the early Christians. The Zoroastrians knew the story that there would be a heavenly sign of a king to be born among the Jews and that this would be the greatest king who would rule over all of the Earth.

The fact that the rare conjunction was occurring in the constellation Pisces was proof to the Maji that the king of the Jews would soon be born. You can imagine them traveling by caravan and watching the stars each night as they camped. They saw the planets slowly converging with each night and so they knew that the birth was soon to happen. They just didn't know where specifically, but they had faith that they would find the newborn. Their faith was so strong that they didn't even question why the king of the Jews was being born in the little out of the way place called Bethlehem.

Modern computers have calculated that this conjunction did in fact occur, and some planetariums have shows at Christmas to demonstrate what it looked like as the planets appear to merge. This conjunction was predictable and that is why the Maji were watching for it to see if it actually took place. The stopping and starting was due to the planets appearing to stop and then reverse direction and again start moving as the earth changed position over time.

By the way, there is a conjunction this weekend between Jupiter and Venus in the southwestern sky after sunset. If you have clear skies you can see as the planets converge and then diverge over the next few nights.

[Old Savage]

I have been watching them - thought one was the mothership.

[Bis]

I am probably opening my self up to a lot of ridiclue but here it goes.

I lived in Arcadia Ca. in 1955 near the foothills, it was about noon when my friend and I saw a bright light going in and out of the canyons. It would travel to the left or right and imediately reverse direction, it was all over the place and then just went straight up an vanished. When it would fly into the shadows of a canyon, it would iluminate the canyon.

There have been a lot of creditable witnesses and film to just blow it off as a weather ballon

[Hobie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WGcSuGojYA

[TedH]

Dang Hobie, you jumped in the Way Back Machine to bring this thread back to life.

[Hobie]

Dang Hobie, you jumped in the Way Back Machine to bring this thread back to life.

Just call me Professor Peabody....



Actually our quirky search engine and me rushing combined to put the post in the wrong topic...

[Tycer]

I believe in UFOs in that people honestly believe they saw a flying object that can't be identified, BUT I don't believe extraterrestrial aliens from other planets visiting or Earth, neither do I believe in Bigfoot or ghosts for that matter. I believe the only higher lifeforms in the universe we should be concerned with is our almighty Heavenly Father, His only begotten son, and his angels. Everything else is a distraction by the devil to lead us astray from the real issues.

AMEN

Aloha Ji.

[Tycer]

Crud. I thought Ji was back.

[RIHMFIRE]

Some of my dads co-workes back in the 70s
put a whole bunch of christmas light on a plane
and flew around the town.....

[kimwcook]

Had me thinking Ji was back too. Dog gone it, miss that guy. Anybody have an update?

[C. Cash]

As to the Star of Bethlehem, you must look at this. This will give you an idea of how a star "stopped" over Bethlehem as well OS. http://www.bethlehemstar.com/

[Blaine]

I think Joe has contact with Ji......could be wrong.

[sureshot]

Judging by the "V" formation, speed and direction I'd say it was a flock of geese heading south with their hi-beams on.

Steve

[kimwcook]

Judging by the "V" formation, speed and direction I'd say it was a flock of geese heading south with their hi-beams on.

Steve

That's good, sureshot.

[Gobblerforge]

It's them Klingons. Probably having problems with the cloaking machine again.
But really folks, Aliens? Shoot, it happens all the time. Heck, I married an alien. She's a good cook, and a great smoocher and with most guns, a better shot than me. Now I've tried and tried but still can't hit shtick with a phaser. Been with her for 17 years last September.
Here she is with the 1892.
Gobbler

[jeepnik]

Last night I was driving out to the farm where I was going deer hunting in the morning. I came around a corner and noticed a large bright light in the sky. At first I thought it must be a plane, but as I got a better look it just didn't look "right". I'm out in the middle of nowhere, so I pull the truck over and stop. The object is south of me and clearly traveling in an easterly direction. The light appears to be kind of long and stretched out at first, so I dig through my pack and get out my binoculars. Through the glasses it is plain to see that it is not one bright light, but at least 6 separate white lights in a "V" shape. I could not see any red or green strobes that are usually seen on normal aircraft at night, just the bright white lights that appeared to be at the rear of whatever craft this was.

Now I'm not a crazy Roswell freak or anything, and I'm not even saying I think this could have been extraterrestrial. It was just an object that was flying, that I could not identify. It was a pretty exciting few minutes though.

Any thoughts as to what kind of plane might look that way at night?

How about a flight of ducks with those chemical light tubes in their bills.

[J Miller]

I think Joe has contact with Ji......could be wrong.

I have an email addy for him, but on the few occasions I've tried to email him he's not answered. I don't know if the addy is good or what.
He has re-registered here on the forum, but under a slightly different name.

My one and only UFO sighting happened out in the AZ desert.
I was watching the stars when a group of lights came on towards the north. They just sat there, not moving or making any sounds for the longest time. Gradually they started to move. As they got closer I began to hear a strange buffeting type sound. Then when they were almost over head I could finally get a look through the binocks and saw that it was a formation flight of military helicopters running with their landing lights on.
The wind was blowing just right to keep the rotor noise away for the longest time.


As for weather or not ET exists, I consider the idea that we humans are the only intelligent beings in the galaxy extremely arrogant and conceited to say the least. As others have said, there is no way to know. Perhaps someday in the future.

Joe

[Old Savage]

You fellows might consider this in this area.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/retir ... ernment-c/

Just what I have been saying for years - how many of these guys have to say this. I had it straight from an SR71 pilot.

[Mescalero]

Growing up and now living again between White Sands & Roswell, N.M. you can well imagine what I have seen over the years.
There IS something up there, what it is : I am not qualified to say.
And I spent my life working in aircraft.

[mouthpiece]

From your description, that's almost certainly an Arkillian battle crusier.Noah

Last month's UFO magazine (April 2011) had an article about Arkilla re-fitting older elements of its fleet. Mighta been one on a shake-down cruise.

BTW, MO state police will be by Monday mornining to take your firearms -- but just for safekeeping. Would you rather give 'em to me to hold for you?

[Old Savage]

Well Gobbler, they pick out the top stock to mate with - you stud!!!!

[Mescalero]

Still razor sharp the OS.

[cshold]

Well Gobbler, they pick out the top stock to mate with - you stud!!!!

Good one OS, and good eye as always

[Sixgun]

Well Gobbler, they pick out the top stock to mate with - you stud!!!!

I figured Old Savage would pick up on that! He is a hound, fer sure -----------Sixgun

[Mescalero]

Yeah, but that's why we like him.
We could use a fix of eye candy OS.
2nd ovc, take note.

[Old Savage]

Mescalero, you have been missed - not sure what to catch you up on but tonight sometime - my golf pros!

[Old Savage]

Mescy, so what do you want - the golf pros



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oh wait I know - the latest from the lovely Heather!



I know you!

[cshold]

Wow! OS,

[Mescalero]

OS,
Much needed from a bachelor in the mountains, many thanks.