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HOLOSIGHT photos and comparison

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Some questions recently have been posted on various 'holosights' and I thought that since I've tried three types over the past 20 years, I'd post a set of 'comparison' pics.

The three sights are:
  • an older (1980's) Bushnell Holosight (the 'N'-cell version),
    a 2009 Tru-Glo Red/Green Multi-Reticle, and
    a 2010 Burris Fastfire II.


I've shot with the Bushnell on several firearms over the years, from a 12 gauge Mossberg pump to a Ruger mark-II .22 LR, and it has been flawless in function until without paying attention, I managed to 'bottom out' the elevation setting, and thinking it was 'broken', managed to fiddle with it enough to break the seal and now I have to figure out how to get some anhydrous gas into it and re-seal it, since THE BUSHNELL FACTORY NEVER RESPONDED TO MY "SERVICE" REQUEST... :evil:

The Tru-Glo is nice, in that it has a green 'daytime' dot and a red 'nighttime' dot (and circles and crosshairs and other options vs. the 'dot' one). BUT the Truglo is way too bright, even on the 1/5 setting, for true night use, whereas the Bushnell is dimmable to the point that even at night you can barely see the dot, and the Burris automatically dims quite satisfactorily for midnight-with-a-flashlight use (it may help that the sight's light sensor would not be shone upon by the flashlight the way I mounted it). I DO like the Tru-Glo's ability to change reticle shape and color.

Weather-wise, the Tru-Glo claims to be water 'resistant' but the Bushnell I think claims it is submersible in salt water at 10 meters for 72 hours or some such 'mil-spec' type thing.

The Bushnell is the only one of the three which has an ENCLOSED beam (i.e. two 'windows' that the beam comes up between - thus the extra bulk), so of course it should be the winner for 'weatherproof'.
(...even if not 'AJ-with-a-screwdriver-proof' :oops: )

As for the Burris - the Fastfire-I brochure claims to be 'water resistant' whereas the Fastfire-II brochure claims to be 'water proof', although like the Tru-Glo, it is an 'open' beam design. I assume some 'improvement' between the Fastfire I and II versions is probably a legitimate claim, so although I don't plan to practice any 'Navy Seal' maneuvers with the Fastfire-II, I don't plan to 'baby' it.

I've not shot the Burris much yet, but I'll post more comments when I get a chance.

As you can see, the SIZE difference (and weight) is tremendous. :shock:

To be fair, the Bushnell I have has a STURDY metal 'shroud' (similar but way lighter is available for the Burris) for 'mil-spec' durability, and it IS removable, but I've never bothered. I really don't care about WEIGHT on a light carbine ranch/home-defense gun like my project I called the 'Night Scout'.
Night Scout project link = http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=23531.

Here's pics of the three sights, side by side for comparison:

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Here's pics of the three sights on a Marlin 1894css:

Night Scout with the Bushnell (before I refinished the stock and "matted" the stainless with emory cloth):

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Night Scout with the Tru-Glo:

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Night Scout with the Burris:

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The Burris is almost small compared to the under-barrel pistol laser!

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As you can see, the Burris is substantially smaller than the others, and yet it DOES rise just high enough to easily see over the (cheap, BSA, but on-a-carbine-does-ok) 'pistol' laser mounted on the Night Scout. That was really important to me, because I like the 'double-dot' on-target to be sure things are ok for a shot in dim or no light. Additionally, if the gun were pressed into duty as a home defense firearm, it could be necessary to aim from an unstable/fallen position, where proper 'alignment', even for a holosight, might be impossible. It also provides a redundant backup sighting mechanism (in turn backed up by the Williams WGRS mounted in the 1894's rear scope holes, reversed, since it was designed for the longer 336 action).

I know some would agree with the Dick's Sporting Goods guy who told me "lasers are for gang-bangers and we don't ever plan to stock them", that with a holosight, what's the point in a laser, but they're welcome to come out at night to close up the chickens and check the livestock, and see if THEY can see/hit a scurrying predator the size of a feral cat at 40 yards, and explain to me why a laser is NOT helpful for verifying target/placement vs. just a plain holosight and LED flashlight. For that matter, I've had city-fellers who thought the LED flashlight 'looked stupid'. Hmmm - none of the raiding predators we've pointed it atseemed to laugh; must be a matter of 'taste', kind of like the blued/stainless thing... :roll:

NOTE - In fairness to the manufacturers, Tru-Glo DOES make a smaller sight, much like the Burris, but without the red/green multi-reticle option, and Bushnell DOES make smaller Holosights, partly by leaving off the shroud, and partly by just - making the new ones smaller. Chinese copies are available of the Tru-Glo and Burris for less money, as well, but I wanted reliability I could count on. Prices vary depending on particular models, but for the ones I have, Bushnell was most expensive ($350?), then the Burris ($210), then the Tru-Glo ($80?).

I guess overall, if I had to pick the 'best use' I could dream up for each of these sights, I'd put:

  • the Bushnell on a heavy gun like an M-1A or even Mini-14 or some versions of AR-15, due to extreme 'combat' durability, and very dim adjustment capability - OR - on another 'night' gun - a Tapco-stocked 10/22 set up like my 1894css - on THAT gun, the way-forward 'scout' mounting seems to make the Bushnell not as obtrusive, and the super-lightweight gun with synthetic stock just doesn't look as 'bulked-up' with the Bushnell as the levergun does.

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    the Tru-Glo on a 'Range' gun for target/educational use, as it seems to be the most fragile (exposed laser, and also undercarriage), yet presents a wide variety of reticles for a variety of users and targets. I DO like this sight. I think I might put the Tru-Glo on the little Ruger 96/22 LR that we usually use to introduce 'newbies' to the shooting sports; it currently wears a bulkier BSA red dot one.

    the Burris seems to me the best choice for a light carbine intended for 'ranch' or home protection duty like the Night Scout project, due to compact streamlined size and durability, and only one 'control' - the on/off switch. . . :? that's hard to mess up - even for me..!
Final Version:

Found an even better light, at the local Lowe's (lumber/home improvement store) - a "(link) - Coast T7 LED-Lenser" - (Coast brand - http://www.coastportland.com). It is 190 lumens (vs. 70 for the previous Duracell one) which basically means BRIGHT. Larger diameter (30mm rings fit just right) than the Duracell one, but not a heavy light at all. Another nice feature is that it has a 'dim' battery saving mode that means you can use it for ordinary see-where-you're-walking-at-night use without having to have a separate light (the 'bright' mode is simply too intense to use pointed at the ground by your feet, if you expect to have your night-vision at all useful when you're checking gates, or feeders, or whatever chore you're doing).

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I like this setup alot - handy, durable, and the .357 Mag has more varmint-potency than a .22 LR, but way less noise and flash than a .223 or similar gun one might desire for 2-legged predator control. Hearing damage isn't something I'm willing to have just to make one less coyote around the farm, or one less chicken-eater in the chicken pen. It is accurate enough that I can go out in pitch black and hit the 8" 100-yd. gong without a problem, or a soda can at 50 yards.

Maybe I need one in .44 Mag, though... :roll:
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I just picked up an Osprey holosight and can't wait to give it a try. It is a bit bigger than the Burris, but smaller than the other two you have. It has four different reticle settings, and shines not only in red but also in green, which appears to be brighter to me at every setting.

I like the holosight/laser combination. Maybe not traditional on a lever-action, but if it helps you accomplish the purpose for the gun, why wouldn't you use them?
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I'm curious about the Burris. I like the small size (but not interested in H.D. as my 1911 has that role) and would like to know how it works outside in the daylight? Done any shooting like that?
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I haven't shot with it at all, yet. If I can get at least 10% of the 100 things done from the weekend honey-do-list, I'll try to take a break and lob a few downrange this weekend.
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Well, today I shot it in bright sunlight, and it was PLENTY bright against pretty much any background I could find. 8)

Since it is so close to the pistol-laser's axis, the laser and Burris are right on top of each other from about 25 feet to 100 yards. Getting 2" three-shot groups at 50 yards wasn't difficult, other than the heat and mosquitos very annoying.
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I've always wondered how a low profile holosight mounted on the eye-side of a simple magnifier would work vs a $$$ "scout scope" that I may or may not be able to see the reticle on...
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mikld wrote:I'm curious about the Burris. I ....would like to know how it works outside in the daylight? Done any shooting like that?
I've been using a Fastfire II on my Ruger Single-Six Hunter for several months, outside, with excellent results.
If anything, it is a bit too bright to suit me. I put a bit of quilters' tape over the 'eye' to dim it a bit.

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I liked the concept so much after a brief range test (with the Burris), that I splurged and got a 'real' pistol laser, instead of the cheap Chin-o-matic one I had on it.

The LaserMax is far better made, as can be seen just by handling it, and the beam pulses, which makes it even easer to pick up (plus supposedly extends battery life further).

I took it out tonight, and 'tracked' our black cat as she weaved around the garden weeds (50 yards from me), and scuttled after toads and so on. I could see a brown baby goat at about 80 yards in brush, well enough that if it were a coyote, I could have downed it. Really nice...!

P.S. If you're "tracking" an animal, beware that if it would glance in your direction and the laser happen to hit it directly in the eye, it presumably could cause damage, especially to a nocturnal animal's sensitive retina. It is my impression that this is very unlikely for a number of reasons, after talking to a veterinarian, but I'd hate to have someone harm their favorite pooch or feline.
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AJMD,
Good post, thank you.
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Ready to do some final sighting-in, and as you probably know, sighting-in a 'dot' type sight can be anoying, because the adjustments are not as precisely calibrated as scopes, and the dot itself is often larger in MOA than the group size you're getting. The laser will help, however:
  • I plan to remove the Burris, replace it with a scope on high enough rings to clear the LaserMax, then sight in with my preferred load very precisely with that scope.

    Then, 'sighting-in' the LaserMax will be simply a matter of turning it on and moving the 'dot' to the scope crosshairs while looking at a 50-75 yard target.

    Then, having that as a fixed and sighted-in reference, upon replacing the scope with the Burris Fastfire, all I have to do is move THAT 'dot' to align with the LaserMax, and I'm done.

One more advantage of laser sights - they make switching and sighting-in OTHER sights a snap. :wink:
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Great posting 'Doc. thanks for the information.
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