Rossi M92 hard to eject

[jimco]

My Rossi M92 357/38 is hard to eject after shooting about 5-6 rounds. Works fine for the first few shells but then gets very stiff. My grandaughter is using it for SASS shooting 38's and can not eject the shells after 5-6 shots. I've cleaned the internals and checked for loose screws but have no idea what to look at beyond this. Any help would be appreciated.

[Old Ironsights]

Not a definitave answer (OK, a SWAG...), but don't use .38s. Use low velocity .357s. You may be getting a crud-ring that is binding on the variable length of the fired .38 cases in the freebore of the chamber...

[Hawkeye2]

That might make it difficult to extract but shouldn't affect ejection.

[Griff]

Unless you're using a VERY dirty powder, I can't see 4 or 5 shots building enough of a fouling line in the chamber hold cartridges in. If you can get a better description, than just "getting stiff", it may help. Is it like a "hitch" or tight spot in the lever arc? Is ejection once the bolt is open still firm, or does it soften up over those 4 or 5 rounds?

[jimco]

It's a tight spot in the lever arc. Feels like cartridge is in a bind until it completely ejected. No scars on spent cartridge. The bolt will open about a 1/2" then lever is hard to open completely to eject.

[markinalpine]

See if this guy's web-page has something to help:
http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Rossitune.htm

Mark

[Griff]

You might have a slightly loose lever/bolt pin. Or a slightly short or long lever/bolt pin cover screw. This would allow the pin to move lightly left and catch on the edge of the frame or the end of the cover screw to see if you have any indications of the pin hitting. After you check everything the gun works fine... then after the recoil and operation of a few rounds things have a tendency to move around, if the tolerances allow it.

As you can see, my stop screw is a tad short... if the pin were loose, it could contact that back edge of the bolt rail and stop the rear movement of the bolt. This occurs in my rifle just a shy of the ½" open mark, but... at the full ½" open I can't think of any action inside that would put a "hitch" in the bolt.

Have you fully disassembled the action to inspect all the internal parts? Doin' so might just give you a indication of what's rubbing or hitting to cause that hitch. And Maruader's site is excellent. Other'n my belief in using toothpaste to smooth everything (sorry Nate, couldn't resist) his methodology is exactly what I did on my 3 Rossi's. (I did actually, use toothpaste in my 1st one... and while it's really the best action of the 3, I don't really believe the toothpaste did anything, except keep my wife from grippin' everytime anything went wrong. She'd been told that without the toothpaste, it would be "gritty" forever). Then, of course, the only problem in that particular Rossi has been a broken firing pin.

[jimco]

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll tear it down and see if I can find anything.

[Tycer]

I'll bet Griff nailed it. That pin has worked loose and is catching inside the receiver. better fix it quick or you'll have an extra hole in the side of the receiver that you'll have to drill to pop that pin out of the way.

[CaptainFinn]

+1 on Griff's diagnosis...as I read the OP that is what I was thinking.

[jimco]

The lever bolt cover screw is a lot shorter than the one in the pic. Looks like it has been ground down. I bought the gun used so I'm not sure what was done to it. I'm having a hard time finding a replacement screw, I'll try to call Rossi tomorrow to see if I can buy one from them. Thanks for all the help.

[Griff]

The lever bolt cover screw is a lot shorter than the one in the pic. Looks like it has been ground down. I bought the gun used so I'm not sure what was done to it. I'm having a hard time finding a replacement screw, I'll try to call Rossi tomorrow to see if I can buy one from them. Thanks for all the help.

Try Nate Kiowa Jones, the proprieter extraordinaire of Steve's Guns, truly the Rossi '92 Specialist.

[J Miller]

Just an aside; The lever to bolt pin retaining screw on my 1980 Win 94 Trapper had been deliberately shortened by about 3/16". Since the lever pin on a 94 is not knurled and is free to move, every time I'd fire the rifle it would move to the left and jam the bolt closed. The lever would unlock the locking bolt, all the parts were loose, but nothing would move.

My friend and I had that 94 apart out in the desert three times and could not see the problem.
I finally got mad and took my other 94 apart at the same time and right out in the hot AZ desert we compared each and every part.
When we got to the lever pin screws and compared them it became obvious. One was totally blued, one had a nicely ground off end. Who ever assembled it at the factory either sabotaged the part or stuck in one that was already messed with.
We reassembled both rifles and put the good screw in the Trapper and all the problems were gone. On the way home I hit a gun shop and bought two of the screws. Always pays to have extras.


Joe

[jimco]

Finally found the problem. Rifle spent 3 months at a local smiths, he was not able to fix the problem. After I got it back, spent time at the range trying to diagnose the problem. Found that if I pushed in on the loading gate about 1/16" it would eject. Replaced the loading gate this morning, test fired 30 rnds ang the rifle ejected every one without a problem. Still don't know what the gate was binding on to make it hard to eject. Just know it's working fine now. Just wanted to post in case anyone else has the same problem.

[AJMD429]

Just wanted to post in case anyone else has the same problem.

Thanks for updating. All too often, threads are just left 'hanging' and we never find out the solution to the problem posted about...

Replaced the loading gate this morning...

Where did you finally wind up getting parts from...?

[Griff]

Likewise, thanks for the update. I'll have to keep that one in mind for the next time. I'll have to look inside mine to see what it could have been. Nate probably knew the answer all along!

[jimco]

Just wanted to post in case anyone else has the same problem.

Thanks for updating. All too often, threads are just left 'hanging' and we never find out the solution to the problem posted about...

Replaced the loading gate this morning...

Where did you finally wind up getting parts from...?

Got the parts from M&M Gunsmithing. Great service from these guys, I've ordered several parts from them and recieve them in about a week.