Analysis Of Trigger Pull Of A Lever Rifle

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Analysis Of Trigger Pull Of A Lever Rifle

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I recently decided to look into reducing the trigger pull on one of my lever action Winchester rifles, since trigger pull was over 4 Lbs. (I would like it to be between 3 an 3-1/2 Lbs)

I got recommendations on how to go about adjusting the trigger pull and believe the recommendations were all appropriate. The recommendations included polishing and spring force adjusting (Cutting).

I decided that I should have an understanding of what influences how much trigger pull force is required to release the hammer on a typical lever rifle. There are several components I identified that influence trigger pull. My interpretation is a simple analysis. I am sure that another analysis could be performed to provide a much greater analysis than mine.

Here are my thoughts:
  • A] Hammer and Trigger engagement angle are critical (Lets assume that the engagements are optimized at a perfect 90 degrees).
  • B] Actual static friction between the hammer and trigger sear influenced by material, surface smoothness, and trigger-sear engagement pressure from the hammer spring.
[INDENT]C] Friction between trigger pivot bushing and trigger[/INDENT]
[INDENT]D] Trigger return spring back pressure [/INDENT]

Simplistically stated, total trigger pull force equals the total added forces of B+C+D.
All of these act in the same direction (opposite trigger pull) when attempting to pull the trigger.

Items B and C tend to be predominantly friction based, but item D is all spring pressure based.
Items B and C are the most difficult to correctly modify, therefore my efforts focussed on item D.

To determine how much of a contribution the trigger return spring was adding, I used a precision trigger weight set and measured the trigger return spring force. (Required me to hold the hammer back from engaging the sear).

Finding was that the trigger spring contributed aproximately 2 Lbs of force, therefore, reducing the force of the trigger spring to 1 Lb, should correspondingly reduce the overall trigger pull by 1 Lb.

In a week or so, I plan to check my calculations by installing a different trigger return spring.

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What rifle are you testing on? Looking forward to hearing of the results.
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IMNSHO, You'll get better results focusing on "B."

"D" is there for a reason...
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The Test Rifle:
My test used a Winchester model 71. A 1936 rifle from the 3rd month of production. This version differs from later versions that have the two piece triggers. These early ones had a single piece trigger.

Focusing on B:
The pre-war model 71s were known for their hand polished triggers. I do not doubt that they could be helped a bit with some additional polishing, but after looking at the sear and hammer notch surfaces, I felt that such an effort would have a very minor influence.
I understand that the trigger return spring has its function, that is to see that the sear fully engagesd the trigger notch by substantially overcoming any trigger return friction that may be inherrent in the parts.
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Watch carefully as you pull the trigger, to determine whether the hammer cams back slightly before the trigger releases it. Granted, most old M-71s don't have that problem, but a few have been encountered that did. The biggest improvement may come from slightly lessening the hammerspring force at full cock.
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I have found that improving "C" can help a lot depending on what you start with. If I am going all out to tune a trigger I lap the holes and fit a close fitting pin. That will give a cleaner "break". I save broken drill shanks for this.
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The "spring thing" will reduce trigger force, BUT not necessarily improve let-off quality. A harsh trigger is still gonna be harsh, just lighter. A "glass smooth break" is a combination of all things, including proper angles and depth of engagement and glass smooth surfaces, and of course a well fitted and slick pivot.
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I would think 'B' after some fiddling with 'D'. Maybe preserve the original spring so it can go back to the original strength. Perhaps slightly reducing the engagement distance to lessen the friction needed to trip the sear. Of course, it's hard to put that material back on the hammer of a pre-war 71 if you go too far. :wink:

This is an area I stay away from even though I'm fairly mechanically inclined. It's too bad Mr. Canjar never made one of his single-set triggers for the 86/71. I love my Canjar triggers.
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I find that the quality of the break matters more to me than the actual weight

A 4 pound trigger that breaks like the proverbial glass rod feels better than a mushy 2 lb trigger. And is probably a lot safer...

Unless you're benchrest shooting, a super light trigger isn't that important... in my experience. But a good quality trigger is worth a ton!
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Lowering the hammer spring weight can cause light strikes, I know!

If the hammer cams back slightly the sear angles are wrong.

When the sear angles are bettered you will need the full weight of the hammer spring!

Changing the sear angles can be done with a few strokes of a small fine stone.

Most folks go for the easy rout and gain nothing.

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