MOVIES - Tombstone

Bridger · Post by **Bridger** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:42 pm

Who all here has watched it? I know it is a few years old but I happened to come across the clip where he tells Ringo it "Looks like somebody dis walked over his grave" on youtube and instantly realized I need to see the movie.

Doc Hudson · Post by **Doc Hudson** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:01 am

You definitely NEED to see the whole movie!!

The Outlaw Josey Wales is the only movie that springs to mind that has more memorable lines than Tombstone.

You will enjoy

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:10 am

funny, I just watched it last night, great movie, and as I understand, quite true to the facts.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:19 am

I have Tombstone and Outlaw Josey Whales on CD. So I've watched them both several times. I think Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is one of the best ever done. Kurt Russel as Wyatt Earp is scary good. Once the movie got moving good he reminded me of p.o.'d pit bull with a taste of blood.

Joe

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:15 am

I'm your huckleberry.

Bearhands · Post by **Bearhands** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:26 am

it's a fantastic movie..... don't miss it

"Open Range" is another one not to miss....... any Robert Duvall western is worth watchin'

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:29 am

Doc Hudson wrote:You definitely NEED to see the whole movie!!
You will enjoy

+1,000,000

You must watch it.

lthardman · Post by **lthardman** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:35 am

One of my favorite lines of all time came from Tombstone, uttered by Wyatt (Russel) as he rousts a cheating gambler (Billy Bob Thornton, I believe):

"You gonna do something about it, or just stand there and bleed?"

Mokwaw · Post by **Mokwaw** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:24 am

Good movie, it's in my video library.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:34 am

J Miller wrote:I think Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is one of the best ever done.
Joe

+1 So far, the best acting he's ever done. Made it a classic!

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:02 am

When that movie came out for about a year everybody at work kept calling me--=Johnny (Johnny Ringo)

They said I could have played his double. yeah,I would say ---(I wish) Michael Biehn is just too cool!

Fantastic Movie--------------Need to see it, love the part where those boys twirl their pistol/tin cup

also the Tub dealing cards!

Gun Smith · Post by **Gun Smith** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:47 am

One of the cable channels did a story about the OK corral fight. They tried to be as accurate as possible. They determined that Doc Holiday probably fired the first shot (shotgun) after hearing pistols cocked. What was interesting to me was the fact that there were 8 men and at least two horses in a lot about 18' wide. The actual distance between the some combatents was three feet or less.
When I was a kid, I read Stuart Lake's book about Wyatt Earp. If I remember he interviewed Earp before his death. Current historians claim there are many inaccuracies in the book.
The same series has studied the deaths of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid and Baron Richthofen, The Red Baron. Neat series. They try to recreate the exact chain of events that happened using state of the art methods.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:54 am

Doc Hudson wrote:The Outlaw Josey Wales is the only movie that springs to mind that has more memorable lines than Tombstone.

Your friends may get me in the rush but not before I turn your head into a canoe.

Ah, he's bluffin'!

No, he ain't bluffin'...

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:17 am

"You're not as stupid as you look, Ike..."

"Where is he?"
"Down by the creek, walkin' on water!"

"You tell 'em I'M comin', and Hell's comin' with me, you hear!?! HELL's comin' with me!"

gak · Post by **gak** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:27 am

Yes, great movie. Much better portrayal and less indulgent than Costly Kevin's--whom I don't mind (he has his place, and his understated role next to Duvall in Open Range perhaps his best).

Though a near-native Arizonan, have never been in Tombstone--despite several business visits--when they've done a shootout. I did see a re-enactment there on a local (Phoenix) station recently, as well as others at different locations, and it was said to be done very accurately. Yes, the setting redefines CQB! Not as "charming"--for the viewer--as the typical Hollywood stuff where they usually space things out, but said to be closer to what happened.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:10 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:
J Miller wrote:I think Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is one of the best ever done.
Joe
+1 So far, the best acting he's ever done. Made it a classic!

Better than anything he's done since...

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:01 pm

FWiedner wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote:
J Miller wrote:I think Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is one of the best ever done.
Joe
+1 So far, the best acting he's ever done. Made it a classic!
Better than anything he's done since...

You got that right FW

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:12 pm

Definitely one of, if not, the best western made in the modern era. Open Range and 3:10 to Yuma would run close seconds.

The old black and whites are still my favorites, though.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:44 pm

Tombstone is one of my favorite cowboy action movies. The wife and I just watched it again the other day. I kept saying the lines and she kept telling me I've seen it too many times.

The Outlaw Josey Wales is another great move.

Open Range is good, just not as good IMHO as the two above. Broken Trail is about the same as Open Range. They have some good spots in'em.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:16 pm

And please, it's, "You gonna skin that smoke wagon or just stand there and bleed?"

My favorite movie line of all time.

Oly

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:33 pm

I agree that Tombstone was a good movie, but I just couldn't get past Val Kilmer's lousy rendition of a Georgia accent. He didn't spend enough time listening/watching Paula Deen.

jd45 · Post by **jd45** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:41 pm

I also LOVE "Tombstone" as the most true to life re-enactment of what happened in our SW Ameican history. Aside from the gunfight, the costumes were accurate, as well. But I question just what weapon Wyatt used. The owner of the Tombstone Epitath newspaper, John Clum, is said to have given Wyatt a S&W #3 American revolver in .44 caliber, which he may have used in the fight. As far as the Buntline Special gaven to him by author Ned Buntline, I read he had the barrel cut back to 8" from the original 12" it came with, which would've been way too impractical. jd45

Nate C. · Post by **Nate C.** » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:03 pm

Watched it? I have memorized it.

Tristan · Post by **Tristan** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:12 am

An outstanding movie! Definitely one of my favorites.

A short list of modern Westerns worth watching: (according to me...

)

Tombstone
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Unforgiven
Silverado
The Wild Bunch

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:22 am

I'd like to add Geronimo: An American Legend to that list.

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:55 am

So many great lines, great movie. The stuntman they dragged in the bag, Mc Masters, was a patient in my office. He had a number of interesting stories. Director didn't think a dummy in the bag would be realistic enough. He particularly enjoyed Sam Elliot who he says is a great regular guy with the crew.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:22 pm

olyinaz wrote:And please, it's, "You gonna skin that smoke wagon or just stand there and bleed?"

My favorite movie line of all time.

Oly

"...Are you gonna do somethin' or just stand there and bleed?"

The part about skinnin' the smokewagon comes in at a slightly different moment in that conversation...

Not that it will change prices at the grocery store...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:36 pm

Best western of all time in my book is "Good Ol' Boys". It just feels authentic. Like you're there watchin' him live his life. By and large, most feel like you're being told a story.

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:17 pm

I love the movie and all the history. A week ago right now I and the Wife were in Tombstone.A big cold front was coming in with 45mph winds. there wasn't hardly anyone there and I had a ball just walkin the streets. We had lunch and some Drinks at the Crystal Palace.spent about 1 1/2 hrs in the Courthouse, most of the shops and did the tour of the Birdcage.

.Boy they sure had enough Ladies workin there to keep all the Cowboys happy.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:32 pm

Tristan wrote:An outstanding movie! Definitely one of my favorites.

A short list of modern Westerns worth watching: (according to me... )

Tombstone
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Unforgiven
Silverado
The Wild Bunch

One to add to the list is The Long Riders.
The Keech brothers and the Carradine brothers did a fine a job on the James and Youngers, and Ry Cooder's soundtrack is excellent.

Bridger · Post by **Bridger** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:44 pm

After hearing you guys, I now know I have no choice but to rent it.

encore4me · Post by **encore4me** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:06 am

Bridger wrote:After hearing you guys, I now know I have no choice but to rent it.

"Rent it" your gonna want to buy it! Another good one is Lonsome Dove, Duval at his best!

Matt

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:12 pm

Another of my "Most favorites" is Conagher, with Mr & Mrs Sam Elliott, Buck (and his late dad Dub) Taylor, and the late, great Ken Curtis.

A great ensemble cast, and a very believeable portrayal by everyone involved.

Shooter7 · Post by **Shooter7** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:36 pm

I really enjoyed that movie. I especially liked Val Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday...stole the show in my opinion.
"You ever see anything like that?"
"Hell, I never even heard of anything like that!"

Outlaw Josey Wales is my number one favorite western. Oh, and anything with Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott and Robert Duvall.
Open Range
Quigley Down Under
The Sacketts

Heck I could go on forever.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:57 pm

Buck Elliott wrote:Another of my "Most favorites" is Conagher, with Mr & Mrs Sam Elliott, Buck (and his late dad Dub) Taylor, and the late, great Ken Curtis.

A great ensemble cast, and a very believeable portrayal by everyone involved.

+1 I have that on DVD love it.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat May 01, 2010 12:00 am

Bridger wrote:After hearing you guys, I now know I have no choice but to rent it.

Saw several copies at Sam walton's flagship store (Wal MArt) earlier tonight for a paltry 10 bucks i think (almost bought a copy myself -- as i am travelling and wanted something to watch tonight ) --- i bought the Kevin Costner version instead --- its pretty good, but a completely different style of movie-- much more long winded and detail oriented in some ways . Tombstone is better, but i've seen it so many times ............................

I dont know if Costner (who i like ) was trying to capitalize on Tombstone's success when he did this one, or if it was just a coincidence, ------- but 2 years later, just a few months after the huge success of Adam Sandler's golf epic "Happy Gilmore" -- here comes Costner again with "Tin Cup" -- also a very cool movie which i liked, but it seems as if in both occasions he was trying to ride the coat tails of both Tombstone and Happy Gilmore. (again -- not complaining, i liked "Wyatt Earp" and Tin Cup immensely )

El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Sat May 01, 2010 12:51 am

funny nobody mentioned the actress who played Josephine, she is quite a beauty...

I'd like to see a picture of Savage posing with HER

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Sat May 01, 2010 5:41 am

El Chivo wrote:funny nobody mentioned the actress who played Josephine, she is quite a beauty...

I'd like to see a picture of Savage posing with HER

If you're talking about Dana Delany in Tombstone you're quite correct.

Rob

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat May 01, 2010 9:54 am

I'm for that - Dana Delaney.

But here is this week's raven haired beauty and a real sweetheart.

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat May 01, 2010 10:23 am

Chas. If he did a real Georgia accent we might not understand him, that was probably the mid atlantic version. "Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave."

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat May 01, 2010 11:00 am

Bridger wrote:Who all here has watched it?

Meant to say this last time... but, the shorter list is probably, "Who HASN'T seen it?"

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Sat May 01, 2010 11:08 am

I am watching "the wild and innocent", a western made in 1959 by audie murphy, as I am writeing this. This is 14 years after world war two and Audie still looks like a kid! Unbeliveable! He must have been 6 years old when he joined up, by looking at him in this movie!

schauckis · Post by **schauckis** » Mon May 03, 2010 1:59 pm

Tristan wrote:A short list of modern Westerns worth watching: (according to me... )

Tombstone
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Unforgiven
Silverado
The Wild Bunch

A-MEN!!

I know Silverado by heart.
Unforgiven always gives me the chills; especially the end scene. As one movie critic put it: "Clint Eastwood teaches the young actors what tough guys are made of."

- Lars/Finland

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:28 pm

"Jake fell of his horse?"

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:44 pm

schauckis wrote:Unforgiven always gives me the chills

Deserve's got nothin' to do with it...

Doc Hudson · Post by **Doc Hudson** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:23 pm

encore4me wrote:
Bridger wrote:After hearing you guys, I now know I have no choice but to rent it.
"Rent it" your gonna want to buy it! Another good one is Lonsome Dove, Duval at his best!

Matt

+1,000

You snatched the words right off my fingertips Matr!

Lawyer Daggit · Post by **Lawyer Daggit** » Thu May 06, 2010 11:25 pm

Must say I also enjoyed Pale Rider.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Fri May 07, 2010 1:45 am

Tombstone and Pale Rider are my two favorites.

How many here know who played the part of the Faro dealer Johnny Tyler who was run off from the Oriental by Wyatt so he could take over the table?

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Fri May 07, 2010 7:18 am

Billy Bob Thornton.

Tombstone and Unforgiven are 2 of my favorite westerns. I'm not big into them, but they got it "right".

Edit: Because of camera perspective things often have to spaced out a little more when filming. What looks "close" on a TV camera is often actually closer in real life, when I was still in the TV biz one day on the set for the evening news I made the comment to the director about the co-anchor and sports director "is she sitting in his lap?"

Because on-screen they were close, meaning in actuality, she practically WAS sitting in his lap.

A firefight on screen that took the actual size of the lot at Tombstone into account, shown on screen "correct" would in real life have the actors having a firefight inside a small closet. And you can't do that safely with blanks.

ndcowboy · Post by **ndcowboy** » Fri May 07, 2010 8:08 am

Nate,
It took me a number of viewings to figure out it was Billy Bob Thorton. I actually saw his name in the credits, then had to go back and watch again. Even when I saw him, it was kind of hard to believe it was him as he put on some extra weight for the role.