.25-20== AA1680??? Case trim length???

[LeverBar]

I'm preparing to load 67grain gas-checked bullets for my youngest son's .25-20.

The internet search has turned up a load close to what I'm looking for:
65gr (L) FNGC AA1690 12.0gr Vel=1818 to 13.3gr Vel=2138 COL=1.592.

For a 67gr bullet, I figure I could drop down a few tenths below these figures and be safe. What are your thoughts on this?

Also--He has received a pile of brass from his uncle. Lengths from 1.294 to 1.328. Many near 1.303. And another group around 1.320. I was thinking that I could trim them to 1.303 and have a batch of slightly shorter ones to either make due or toss. Listed case length is 1.330. Trim to length is listed at 1.320. But trimming to 1.320 would leave us with over half the brass being too short to hit the cannelure with the crimp.

We do have a Lee Factory Crimp die, so we might be able to get away with timming to the listed length. But leaving that cannelure exposed bothers me--as if the bullet is not seated properly, even though it would be.

Do you foresee any problems trimming to 1.303? COL would come out to about 1.565-70. Listed is 1.592.

Rifle=Win. M-1892.

[Sixgun]

That is exactly what I do with my 25-20's and 32-20's. I find the shortest group (some which are real short get tossed) and trim all to that length. Take into mind common sense here, like you said, you still want to be able to crimp, either roll or Lee FC.

I too, use the 69 gr Lyman GC in my 25-20 for pistol caliber lever action silhouette and my load is 5 gr. of Unique.---Sixgun

[Ysabel Kid]

What are your thoughts on this?

My thoughts? I think you should sell me that .25-20!

[LeverBar]

sabY,

He ain't a-sellin'. Gift from his uncle, so it will stay with him for quite a while.

It's not his most pretty rifle--the barrel has been replaced or the magazine tube, I haven't taken a notion to really study it, and I don't know '92's as well as I do '73's and '94's. Anyway, there is a slot in the bottom of the barrel just in front of the forearm for a magazine support, but the slot is empty.

Guess you'll have to find a different one.

His prettiest rifle might be his .32-20 '73--26" octagon barrel, full magazine, crescent butt, beautiful wood. He bought it when he was 11 or 12 years old. He'd worked hard, saved his money and was looking to buy a .22 revolver. He lucked into a deal where the fellow sold him a NIB Ruger Blackhawk Buckeye Convertible .32-20/.32 H&Rmag and the '73 for less just over $850. At the time, the '73 was worth at least that much.

But the fellow might have thought he was getting rid of a bad rifle there; it would not shoot straight--keyholed every slug we tried. But after playing with loads, we finally found a one using a filler that would suit his rifle, and it does shoot very straight now!

The Ruger's serial number is under 100, so it came with the mismarked box--a $650-750? revolver at that time.

That deal was the first time in my life that one of my immediate relatives ever came out on the better end of a gun deal--(except when a friend gave me a Remington Model 700 .270--but that is a very long story, full of intrigue, sex--not with him, with a woman! Give me a break, Man!, betrayal, more sex, police, a rifle shot into a Suburban's tire, and tears. Long Story!)--Since the '73/Ruger miracle, we are doing well in most firearms deals. The young fellow broke our bad Karma! We might even be ahead of the game at present--though with my sometimes negative help, the good Karma is still being challenged.

He's a born Levergunner, has always fancied older Winchesters. Shot his first and second bucks with his Great-great grandfather's '73 .38-40. Third and forth with a '94 .32-40. All of them in mule deer country, refusing to use the .270! Can't get much better than that!

[runfiverun]

that 1680 is what i usa in my 92,25/20 easy to measure and good velocity
easy to ignite with small rifle primer