Thx in advance
Derek
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I don't doubt that many, perhaps most, cartridges can do it. I am just wondering whether most SHOOTERS would be able to, even with extensive practice. I know I have alot of work to do to get anywhere close to that.AJMD429 wrote:I don't have the link handy, but there are a couple articles on shooting the .22 LR at 300 yards, and if THAT cartridge can do it, surely the .357 can.
AJMD429 wrote:RCBS gives this for a .125 BC 158gr JSP at 1600 fps zero'd at 100 yards:
.Dist....Vel.....Drop..Energy..FlightTime
(yds) (fps) (inches) (ft-lb) (sec)
000 1600 -01.50 898.0 000.0
025 1503 +00.45 792.0 048.4
050 1411 +01.44 698.7 099.8
075 1327 +01.34 617.9 154.6
100 1252 -00.00 550.1 212.8
125 1186 -02.72 493.8 274.4
150 1134 -06.98 451.0 339.1
175 1089 -12.94 416.2 406.6
200 1051 -20.72 387.2 476.7
225 1017 -30.47 362.6 549.3
250 0986 -42.32 341.4 624.2
275 0959 -56.40 323.0 701.3
300 0935 -72.84 306.8 780.5
BUT it gives these figures for a 115gr (9mm) at 1500 fps, which would be a guesstimate of the other gun.
.Dist....Vel.....Drop..Energy..FlightTime
(yds) (fps) (inches) (ft-lb) (sec)
000 1500 -01.50 574.5 000.0
025 1369 +00.84 478.3 052.3
050 1255 +02.01 402.4 109.6
075 1160 +01.81 343.7 171.7
100 1086 -00.00 301.3 238.6
125 1028 -03.65 269.6 309.6
150 0979 -09.36 244.9 384.4
175 0938 -17.33 225.0 462.7
200 0903 -27.77 208.6 544.1
225 0872 -40.86 194.6 628.5
250 0844 -56.80 181.9 715.9
275 0816 -75.80 170.3 806.3
300 791.2 -98.05 159.8 899.6
So it could be that your rifle will shoot over a foot higher than the 9mm did at 250 yards.
Bottom Line - sounds like FUN. Post a RANGE REPORT afterwards!
If it don't shoot flat enough for you, get a .358 BOS Mag- sighted in at 100 yards with a bit heavier 225 grain bullet, it only drops 6.6 inches at 300 yards...
Yep. I know that if it gets too far out there it becomes more of a 'random' event for me, and less of a skills-honing challenge.Otto wrote:I don't doubt that many, perhaps most, cartridges can do it. I am just wondering whether most SHOOTERS would be able to, even with extensive practice. I know I have alot of work to do to get anywhere close to that.
In the little shooting I've done of that sort, it seems that the super-sonic stuff does fine out to 75 yards, then gets all wobbly and also starts dropping way fast. The sub-sonic stuff seems accurate out to 150 yards (farthest I've got to seriously ever shoot .22 LR for 'accuracy'), although it drops fairly steep from the get-go. Crossing the speed of sound the first time takes place in the barrel, but I'm assuming that the super-sonic .22 LR's must cross back down around 80 yards or so, and that must start yawing and pitching and general mayhem. I suppose the .357 would start to do that out about 200-300 yards or so depending on the load; maybe someone on here has found that true on the range.Don McDowell wrote:Doc with the 22 you'll find the standard velocity 22lr will hold up better at long range and in wind conditions than the high speed stuff.
Oh, I'm gonna do it, this summer. I don't know how successful I will be, especially if I don't know whether I'm practicing the right things. But I'm going to give it my best, uh, best shot.JimT wrote:Reading all the above posts, you guys have lots of data and theory but it seems that few of you have ever just gone out and done it...
...Dad was one of those gunmen who did not think sixguns were for short-range application and we shot targets from up close out to 400 yards or so...
...But I can tell you from personal experience, the 158/160 gr. bullets will work just great at long distances. I don't have any data on what they are doing there other than if I did my part they went where I wanted .. they did not keyhole (we shot cardboard targets at times to see what the bullets were doing) and any game that I put the slug through in the right place was down shortly. (though I never did shoot game at extended ranges.)
Load up a pile of ammo. If you have to drive a long distance to be able to shoot at long distances, load LOTS of ammo! Then go shoot until your trigger finger is sore. You will learn more about yourself, your gun and how things work than you can imagine. It's worth the effort.
Understood ... that's why I suggest those of you who live where you can't .. stop eating twinkies and drinking starblocks .. put the money into a travel fund ...load hundreds of pounds of ammo .. and go where can this summer.AJMD429 wrote:I would love to do more long-range shooting, but the terrain around our place just won't accomodate it.
The 158grn flies at a significantly higher velocity than the 180grn negating the 180grn's supposed advantage. Remember, these are flat tip pistol bullets, not known for high BCs so the theoretical advantage of the extra 22 grains of mass make little difference in the real world as the length increase is minimal due to their relatively large diameter and short lengths.Don McDowell wrote:When the bullet comes back subsonic is when things can go to pot, even in the longrange bpcr stuff.
That's one of the reasons I feel a 180 or heavier 357 will likely do a better job of staying stable when it comes back subsonic, the longer bullets seem to keep their balance better.
I agree completely, however, my point is that in a 357 bullet the difference between a 158grn and 180grn's length is so little as to have a very small impact on it's 'carry'. Especially when you factor in the fact that its a short, fat pistol bullet. Now, if you're comparing say a 300grn to 400grn 45-70 bullet the BC difference is quite a lot and the heavier bullet's aerodynamics will make a noticeable difference.Don McDowell wrote:Steve, I've got thousands of rounds yearly downrange both in practice and competition. The shorter bullets will loose stability worse and sooner than the longer heavier bullets when they come back to subsonic. Part of the reason that things like the 357 handgun loads will stay reasonably stable in calm conditions is they aren't likely to go supersonic, and if they do it will be very close (relatively speaking) to the muzzle and not for very long. Add a wind factor in and stability at long range becomes quite iffy unless you've got a very long and well balanced bullet.
I guess that means that 'Soggy Seattle' wouldn't be worth a darn either.PaulB wrote:JimT is right.
The main thing for this, is you have to go where there is dust. Wyoming after a few dry days (that is, almost always) is excellent. You can see the hits, which is crucial. Western Oregon, the other place I spend a lot of time, is worthless for this.
60" at 300 yards only equates to what, 0.6" at 3 yards (108"), or at the sight radius you're using, maybe 0.2" of sight adjustment, am I not right? PLENTY of room to do that with the Williams FP.COSteve wrote:In addition, Handloads.com calculates that a 158grn 357mag at 1,822fps, sighted in at 100yds will be down 16.3" at 200yds and 57.7" at 300yds.