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+1El Chivo wrote:somebody please tell that guy about the 35 Rem, same rifle, better for short range brush and bears...just what he wants.
That thread goes on for 7 pages, maybe it's the first time the subject came up over there.Hobie wrote:Well, if anyone can stand to read the whole topic we should have some interesting posts!
the same box? sorry, but I get the image of one big box full of mixed parts...I had two men from my town in Ohio, that tryed going Grizz hunting with .30-30's and both came home in a box
sorryto hear about those two poor souls. but, would a 300 or 338 had made a difference? just curiousRifleman336 wrote:I myself would be a little weary about going in to grizz country with a .30-30 Win, but I wouldn't rule it out. I had two men from my town in Ohio, that tryed going Grizz hunting with .30-30's and both came home in a box.
So granted theres no denying, there are dead grizzlys that died after being shot by the .30-30. But I don't know personally that I could be as cool under the fear of confronting such a dangerous and powerful animal.
But I have a 12 ga shotgun for that.The locals use it more than any other weapon, for their cheaper than any ubber magnum pistol, and cheaper than a ubber magnum rifle. So for the price of $200 and some quality hardcast slugs.
Ofcourse others like the "washed up" .45-70, and it's probably more common in stores than anywhere else in the lower 48. So the locals don't use things that don't work. And hats off to people, that are cool enough to pull it off with a .30-30.
But other than that I'll take the .30-30 for everything else in North America.
Rifleman 336
deerwhacker444 wrote:That thread should have been locked after the first response, which answered his question completely.
Chas. wrote:deerwhacker444 wrote:That thread should have been locked after the first response, which answered his question completely.
And this thread should have been locked before the first response. The virus has spread and now this one is well on it's way to several pages. Ford or Chevrolet? Or in my day, Ford, Chevrolet, or Plymouth?
thanks for the update. i'd choose my 45-70 with the biggest, hardcast bullets at the highest MV. if i was going brown bear hunting. but, probably more brown bear were killed with 30-30's than were wounded with .338 magnums. it doesn't matter what i'd choose. from what you described i don't think a 460 weatheryby mag. would have helped those guys. fact is fact. enough hunters have killed brown bear with a 30-30 to say it's more than a stunt. i'd prefer my .45-70, but , i wound'nt pass up a ALL EXPENCES PAID HUNT, if all i had was a 30-30 ,using 170grn. corelocts.Rifleman336 wrote:tman wrote:sorryto hear about those two poor souls. but, would a 300 or 338 had made a difference? just curiousRifleman336 wrote:I myself would be a little weary about going in to grizz country with a .30-30 Win, but I wouldn't rule it out. I had two men from my town in Ohio, that tryed going Grizz hunting with .30-30's and both came home in a box.
So granted theres no denying, there are dead grizzlys that died after being shot by the .30-30. But I don't know personally that I could be as cool under the fear of confronting such a dangerous and powerful animal.
But I have a 12 ga shotgun for that.The locals use it more than any other weapon, for their cheaper than any ubber magnum pistol, and cheaper than a ubber magnum rifle. So for the price of $200 and some quality hardcast slugs.
Ofcourse others like the "washed up" .45-70, and it's probably more common in stores than anywhere else in the lower 48. So the locals don't use things that don't work. And hats off to people, that are cool enough to pull it off with a .30-30.
But other than that I'll take the .30-30 for everything else in North America.
Rifleman 336
From what was said they emptyed, there rifles and and were using there .44 Mag back up guns, when the bear took them out. The bear died of it's injuries after it was all said and done. Who knows what happened, as far who missed and hit and where. But it only takes one swipe from a Grizz to break the neck of a cow, and thus a punny human doesn't stand a chance. So could a Magnum calibered gun made the difference, for the two guys who knows. But I think what could have made a difference is if they had a local hunting guide, one that could tell'em what to do and not do, and live to tell about it.
In all the exeitment, they couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. You can have a world champion target shooter, that gets in to a real honest to good gun fight and they can't hit anything they're going for. Fact of life.
For me I don't know if I could deliver if it counts. I don't know until I'm in trouble. But even with my choice with a 12ga with slugs, I could fail.
Rifleman 336