Barrel mount Aperature sights?
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- Canuck Bob
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Barrel mount Aperature sights?
I have shot receiver sights all my life. I just got a rifle not drilled and tapped and was hoping to get details of the barrel mount aperatures. I searched and found a number of posts with pictures and have viewed the many sites that sell these systems.
Looking for people who have used them a lot and how they like them. I'm interested in Marbles Bullseye, the little flip up designed for the Ranch Rifle, and the XS Ghost ring systems. The first two are priced right and would fit the gun best, Savage/Stevens 30G Takedown Favorite.
I use the takedown a lot and think I'll get less POI wander if the sights stay on the barrel. I'd have to drill and tap to get a sight up against the reciever to stay on the barrel. That got me thinking about the barrel mount systems in the existing dovetail.
I shoot both eyes open and have always been a good shot with traditional peeps. My Marlin 444 is a solid 200 meter rifle with the reciever sight and a number of moose can't disagree. This little Favorite gun would suit a tang sight so if you want, please discuss that in regards to a takedown rifle as well.
Looking for people who have used them a lot and how they like them. I'm interested in Marbles Bullseye, the little flip up designed for the Ranch Rifle, and the XS Ghost ring systems. The first two are priced right and would fit the gun best, Savage/Stevens 30G Takedown Favorite.
I use the takedown a lot and think I'll get less POI wander if the sights stay on the barrel. I'd have to drill and tap to get a sight up against the reciever to stay on the barrel. That got me thinking about the barrel mount systems in the existing dovetail.
I shoot both eyes open and have always been a good shot with traditional peeps. My Marlin 444 is a solid 200 meter rifle with the reciever sight and a number of moose can't disagree. This little Favorite gun would suit a tang sight so if you want, please discuss that in regards to a takedown rifle as well.
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
Barrel mounted peeps are not new. Oner version of the Krag rear sight had a flip up peep. Townsend Whelen in his book Mr. Rifleman, tells of his days as a young Army officers and he trained his men to use the peep and the scores of his men went up dramaticaly.
I have used this sight on the Krag and also a couple of MO-JO sights. They work just fine and do give better groups that an open sight. They are not near as fast as receiver mounted peep and I don't think they are quite as accurate. I don't have anything to base this on as I have never done a test on the subject.
I have used this sight on the Krag and also a couple of MO-JO sights. They work just fine and do give better groups that an open sight. They are not near as fast as receiver mounted peep and I don't think they are quite as accurate. I don't have anything to base this on as I have never done a test on the subject.
Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
My old win mod 67 22LR single shot has a barrel mounted peep and works pretty good. I learned to shoot with it and I could usually hit ground hogs regularly at 100 yds. Mind you it had a fairly long barrel and had a long sight radius. I have been thinking of trying one ragged hole sight on my circa 1942 mod 94 because the sight is getting fuzzy for me and I don't want a tang sight. I am not about to drill and tap for a Williams peep.
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
I use williams WGRS sight in the rear dovetail with a peep on a Win 94 Wrangler. It works well and is affordable. I think I'm going to spring the money for a one ragged whole sight . I think it's a little more rugged. Also check out Skinners sights.
Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
I use a Mojo barrel-mounted aperture sight on my Mauser and I like it a lot... a couple of years ago I tried a ORH sight on another rifle and found that it blocked too much of the sight picture.
If I pop the insert out of the Mojo it recedes to a thin circle which is sufficient to let me center the front pyramid yet unobtrusive enough to allow both both-eyes-open, full FOV shooting.
YMMV.....
Haycock
If I pop the insert out of the Mojo it recedes to a thin circle which is sufficient to let me center the front pyramid yet unobtrusive enough to allow both both-eyes-open, full FOV shooting.
YMMV.....
Haycock
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
I use these - but make an aperature sight out of it - follow along after each photo.
Buy this for $30
http://www.truglo.com/content/products/ ... _rifle.asp
Call Tru Glo at (972) 774-0300. Tell them you need just the peep aperature for this (cost $8) -
http://www.truglo.com/content/products/ ... _brite.asp
Put the aperature on the sight base and your good to go for around $45(tax or shipping)!
Buy this for $30
http://www.truglo.com/content/products/ ... _rifle.asp
Call Tru Glo at (972) 774-0300. Tell them you need just the peep aperature for this (cost $8) -
http://www.truglo.com/content/products/ ... _brite.asp
Put the aperature on the sight base and your good to go for around $45(tax or shipping)!
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
Interesting...too bad there's not one for the CZ452.86er wrote:I use these - but make an aperature sight out of it - follow along after each photo.
Buy this for $30
http://www.truglo.com/content/products/ ... _rifle.asp
Call Tru Glo at (972) 774-0300. Tell them you need just the peep aperature for this (cost $8) -
http://www.truglo.com/content/products/ ... _brite.asp
Put the aperature on the sight base and your good to go for around $45(tax or shipping)!
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
The rear sight locks into any 3/8" dovetail.
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- Canuck Bob
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
Thanks Levergunner,
Will that sight system maintain hunting accuracy to 200 yards?
Will that sight system maintain hunting accuracy to 200 yards?
Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
I've got the rifles that bear this sight set at 2" high at 100 yards and the trajectory will make them useable at 200 yds. If you use the tip of the bead = point of impact it will work out to 200 yds. If you use the bead covers point of impact, the bead will be too big for a deer at 200 yds.
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
Williams makes a rear peep like Tru Glo also.
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
I'd avoid the Marbles Bullseye. I tried one on my 94AE and found it lacking. When you focus on the front sight the rear sight becomes invisible and it's hard to center the sights up. I thought it would be good and offer great visibility compared to the other barrel peeps but it sucked. IMO of coarse.
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Re: Barrel mount Aperature sights?
An aperture sight is used differently than an open rear barrel sight. One must simply look through the aperture, and focus on the front sight and target. It is not necessary to be able to distinctly see the outline of the aperture sight, and one need not attempt to “centre” the front bead in the aperture—this occurs naturally. Consider, for example, the tang-mounted aperture sights: it is generally impossible for the eye to focus upon so close an object, yet a good tang sight with a fine aperture makes for the most accurate sighting method, short of a telescopic sight.
I use a Skinner Barrel Mounted Adjustable Peep Sight—
http://skinnersights.com/
—on a .22RF Baby Rolling Block, in conjunction with a Lyman #17 Globe Front Sight (with the bead insert installed):
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=752564
I find the combination fast and accurate, and the sights actually complement each other in appearance.
The new Marbles Bullseye—
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=317428
—seems perfectly sound in principle, and I plan to try one soon (on a different rifle). It is similar to some sights made in the 19th century.
I use a Skinner Barrel Mounted Adjustable Peep Sight—
http://skinnersights.com/
—on a .22RF Baby Rolling Block, in conjunction with a Lyman #17 Globe Front Sight (with the bead insert installed):
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=752564
I find the combination fast and accurate, and the sights actually complement each other in appearance.
The new Marbles Bullseye—
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=317428
—seems perfectly sound in principle, and I plan to try one soon (on a different rifle). It is similar to some sights made in the 19th century.