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My son is in his 3rd year as a grad student working towards his PhD in Physics. His specialty is Condensed Matter Physics and he's already published a paper titled 'Dipolar molecular rotors in the metal-organic framework crystal IRMOF-2' as an undergraduate. He's currently working a NIST, (National Institute of Standards and Technology) a US Government lab funded by the Dept. of Commerce, furthering his research into Condensed Matter Physics. In fact, he and his collegues are meeting at Stanford next week to give papers and Peter is a co-author of the paper that NIST is presenting.

Needless to say that he is way, way smarter than his dad (or anyone I know of for that matter). Anyway, he came home this weekend to visit and as a Liberal Democrat and 'Yo mama' supporter, he felt it necessary to tie into the old man about politics. After an fair amount of back and forth, he brought out his Black's Law Dictionary (still thinking about becoming a Intellectual Property Lawyer after his PhD) and started to spout from the US Constitution claiming that Ronald Reagan was guilty of Treason because of the Iran-Contra affair (which he had only recently even heard of).

After a bit of back and forth, he trapped himself into a corner citing the Constitutional definitions of the guilt of a citizen while arguing that Ronald Reagan was a traitor. He won't admit it but I smoked his *** citing back his very argument (innocent until proven guilty) that Mr. Reagan wasn't found guilty of anything so therefore he couldn't be 'guilty' of treason.

It's been an hour and he's still trying to figure a way around that arguement.






It just goes to show that its still true that, "Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill." (And in his case, intellect too.) I'm nowhere near as smart, but I'm old and I cheat. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Good for you! Keep on him; shame to waste good money in educating young people nowadays as they get shovel-fulls of liberal dogma to boot!
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Just because you know mathematics doesn't mean you know politics. Many people have a talent in some area which does not carry over into interpersonal relationships or politics. Keep working on him, and you may educate him some more. Take him to the gun range and spend some time with him. Good things might come of it.
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piller wrote:Just because you know mathematics doesn't mean you know politics. Many people have a talent in some area which does not carry over into interpersonal relationships or politics. Keep working on him, and you may educate him some more. Take him to the gun range and spend some time with him. Good things might come of it.
I have and he likes shooting my M1 Carbine a lot. I'm not worried about him, he's a product of his age as I am of mine. I had the good fortune to grow in my formative years during a 'quiet decade' in our history, the 50's and had set my view of the world before all of the upheaval that followed.

Our kids, Peter, 24 and Amy 22, grew up in a different world than I did. Some say better, I don't think so. The values of integrity, honor, respect, and hard work have faded in the decades between when I was 13 (1960) and when he was (1998). Don't get me wrong, they are great kids and have their heads on straight.

Remember, that old saying, "If you're under 30 and not a Democrat, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and not a Republican, you have no brains." Both our kids are smart in their own way, his sister has much more business sense but as I said before, his strength is his intellect plus his honesty and kindness. It's just fun to go a round or two with the kids nowadays and actually win one.
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You're a proud pop and no wonder -- you've got a brilliant son. As he ages, he'll find that there's book knowledge and then there's life experience knowledge and the ole man trumps book knowledge when it comes to life and politics. :)

"furthering his research into Condensed Matter Physics" -- Would that be like taking some snow into your hands and compressing/squeezing that snow into a "snowball" like in chemistry where you bond molecules (snowflakes) together to form a larger denser molecule (snowball)?
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I used to work in a government lab, and I had to deal with PhDs. all the time. I came to the conclusion that as book-derived intelligence trickled in one ear in these people, common sense came flooding out the other ear at a pressure that most cities' fire departments would kill to have in their fire hydrants. One friend of mine, who wasn't a PhD. but was accepted to Cornell Medical School, has cheated Death at least eight times that I can think of. Incredibly book-smart, but he was "common-sense poor." Not only was he a pretty good chemist, but he could pick horses (thoroughbreds) with the best of them--then tell friends about the picks, and play other horses he "had a hunch on." Let's just say that the thoroughbreds at Saratoga Race Course have been well-fed over the years because of him.

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The "Logic 101" classes I had to take in college were different than they must teach now. Time and again I hear the same kind of argument to 'support' a given Democrat despot:

"Well, such-and-such Republican was really a [bad/stupid/criminal/whatever], so that means so-and-so Democrat is therefore NOT [bad/stupid/criminal/whatever]."

...."Huh....?"

"Fords are bad, so Chevys must be good..." Maybe they're BOTH bad, or at least some or most of both are. They assume that if we disagree with Democrats, that we must worship at the feet of Republicans. Most of my friends are Libertarians (some of them insist on callilng themselves 'Constitutionalists'), and believe me, they don't like Reagan all that much more than Obama. Personally, I do, because although I disagreed with many of Reagan's policies, I still felt there was an inherent level of honesty and integrity that is TOTALLY absent in our recent choice.
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Well the term guilty can be used in both a legal and non-legal sense. In the legal sense, it means a person has been found to be culpable by the legal system and therefore can be punished by the law. In non-legal sense, it just means that somebody has done something I think is wrong. My response to the latter use is "Big woo!...opinions are like certain body openings and everybody has one".

I have two highly educted children with P.hds. The daughter is an Industrial Psycholigist and her politics are to the right of Atilla the Hun. The son is a geologist and he is a touchy feely liberal who loves everybody and voted to Obama. I am glad he is person who cares about others, but wish he could find some way of expressing it other than voting for a person who is so far from our historic American founding values.
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Modoc ED wrote:"furthering his research into Condensed Matter Physics" -- Would that be like taking some snow into your hands and compressing/squeezing that snow into a "snowball" like in chemistry where you bond molecules (snowflakes) together to form a larger denser molecule (snowball)?
Actually, it's more like this abstract from his first published article I cited the title to in my post above:

Abstract:
Rotating polar linker groups in the cubic metal-organic framework single crystal known as IRMOF-2 were investigated for freedom of motion, response to an external electric field, and effects of dipole-dipole interactions. The crystals consist of octahedrally coordinated zinc oxide clusters linked by the bromoterephthalate group, which contains a rotatable bromo-p-phenylene moiety. We confirmed the rotation by dielectric spectroscopy and found a 7.3 kcal mol-1 barrier. The non-polar analog, IRMOF-1, containing terephthalic acid, was used as a control system. DFT and MP2 computations of the rotational barrier yield results in agreement with the observation, with B3LYP/SDD being the best. A Monte Carlo analysis of the equilibrium polarization fluctuations was used to assess the possibility of polar ordering and the potential for electro-optic applications.
BlueStateSaint wrote:I came to the conclusion that as book-derived intelligence trickled in one ear in these people, common sense came flooding out the other ear at a pressure that most cities' fire departments would kill to have in their fire hydrants.

Book smart is not street smart.
I couldn't agree with you more. Our kids grew up with me frequently ranting about some smart idiot at work, how little common sense they had, and how too many people are, "Book smart and life dumb." We are fortunate in that both our kids are long on common sense as in truth I'd have never let them grow up without heavy doses of common sense.

Peter is a true scholar in that he speaks French fluently, is widely read in the great philosophers, economists, and politicians, loves Greek history and reads extensively in the fields of ethics and logic. He graduated from CU Boulder Magna Cum Laude in both Engineering and Physics while completing a minor in Philosophy to boot. An with that strong science and engineering background, he's not a prototype geek or introvert. He was on the debate team and loves too read, debate, and discuss the political, social, and intellectual issues of the day.

Not to be outdone, Amy is a natural born artist who's finishing up her bachelor's degree for a career in interior design. She is every bit as talented as her brother but just in a different way. While Peter can't understand why everyone doesn't see the answer to some complex physics problem, Amy can't understand why everyone can't paint or do sculpture as naturally and expertly as she can.

Needless to say, the wife and I had all we could do to try to keep up with them when they were growing up.
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