Savage 99 Action Issues

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:09 pm

Reading the post about the 94 Winchester action tightening up was interesting..Pins bending, wear issues in on the different parts...... This caused me to wonder what kinds of action issues is the Savage 99 known to have that stop it... I'm new to the 99 & so have only heard of one so far.. weak tang safety springs.. I've read that the very early ones had cracks develop in the corners where the bolt locked in the receiver.. but that was fixed... I'm all ears boys

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:28 pm

It seems like I remember reading, somewhere, that the 99 action has been known to stretch and develope excessive headspace. I believe I read it on one Elmer Keith's books. I probably have it somewhere. Of course I maybe wrong about it being in one of his books, but I know I have read it in some book or magazene.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:41 pm

I have noticed while handling lots of 99s, over the years, before they started zip tying all of the actions at the gunshows, that some 99's didnot feel right when they closed, or opened, so I suspect that due to hard use or abuse the 99 can have issues.

I had a used 99C in 308 Win, back back in the 70's, that suffered from hard extraction, after firing. However, I believe it was due to a rough chamber and had it worked on by a gunsmith, which resulted in somewhat of a fix, but I was never satisified with it, or the accuracy.

I knew that some 99s were sensitive to forend pressure due how the forend was attached, but I never could get it to shoot. So I traded it off.

At this time I own a 99EG in 300 Savage and it seems to be quite accurate, and a joy to shoot, so it's probably not in any danger of getting traded off.

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:01 pm

Speaking of zip tying the guns. Very few folks are willing to buy a gun without peering down the barrel or working the action and peering inside. I've noticed that many dealers are cutting the ties off and replacing them (depending on the anal retentive characteristics of the show promoter).

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:33 pm

I noticed the other day the difference in bluing color in the frame where the back of the bolt locks up.. Did Savage use some special hardening in that area ? Or fuse some other steel on for the tang?

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:40 pm

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW SEPERATE AREAS TOOK THE BLUING IS CAUSED BY DIFFERENTIAL HARDENING.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:03 pm

Hobie wrote:Speaking of zip tying the guns. Very few folks are willing to buy a gun without peering down the barrel or working the action and peering inside. I've noticed that many dealers are cutting the ties off and replacing them (depending on the anal retentive characteristics of the show promoter).

Yes, I see that all of the time at gunshows, and frankly I miss not being able to just pick up a gun and work the action. At anyrate, unless it is brand new, most dealers at the shows will cut the ties if you seem to be serious, and frankly I won't purchase a used gun unless I can work the action, and it's saved me from wasting money on more then one ocasion.

cutter · Post by **cutter** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:20 pm

That's a poor way to run a business. I understand there are those that love to dryfire, and spin revolvers, but all you have to do is tell them no.

I travel a lot for work , and of all the places I have visited, one store that comes to mind is;

W D SPORTING GOODS
US Hwy 129 Alcoa Ten.

This place is ran by the biggest liar and theif I have ever met. This is one of the dudes that makes all gun owners look bad.

His favorite subject is himself, and his favorite attribute is his claim to smuggle antique rifles accros the Mexican and Canadian borders.

I've been in his store twice, and both times he 'went off' on a customer, who asked to see something.

He zip ties his guns too, and is happy to tell you " I don't care if your interested or not, I can get more for this on Gunbroker anyway."

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:23 pm

Differential hardening.. Is this a deliberate process then?

Post by **Hobie** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:28 am

Ben_Rumson wrote:Differential hardening.. Is this a deliberate process then?

Yes.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:56 pm

It amazes me to see many of the gun dealers at gunshows, who are the sourest people you ever tried to talk to. They definately are not having any fun and need to find something else to do.

One of the last few shows I went to had a dealer with a Browning 71 which had been messed with a little, it had a recoil pad and different sights, and also some deep scratches on it, to boot. I had a thousand dollars in my pocket and was interested, but for the condition it was in, I thought the price was too high, but he finally came down to 900.00 which was still too high for the condition, but I was tempted anyway. He wouldn't budge off of 900 and turned into a jerk over the deal, so I walked away.

But I know one thing, I have had tables before at gunshows and usually sold lots of stuff including many guns. And I know I could have sold that gun to myself, and probably even gotten close to the 900 asking price for it. But I don't buy from jerks with attitudes.