OT - MUZZLE LOADER RIFLE QUESTIONS
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joachim slim
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OT - MUZZLE LOADER RIFLE QUESTIONS
my cousin wants me to start hunting with black powder so i can lengthen my deer hunting season. i like the style of the T/C Encore 50 cal but dont have that kinda money. i also like the CVA Optima but there again a little expensive. come across a CVA Wolf at Cabelas. it is a 50 cal and uses a 209 primer. has anyone had any experiance with this gun? any suggestions or input would be welcome.
My son shoots a T/C Encore ProHunter .50, and I use a T/C Omega .50 - I really like the Omega, but can't stand the Encore's weight & ergonomics.
After some prior experiences, both personal and of close friends, with them, I won't own another CVA or Traditions.
A close comparison of one, with a T/C, or Lyman, or other quality make will quickly show that you truely do get what you pay for.
I've found CVA's to have uneven bores, as exemplified by tight & loose spots, when running a tight patch downbore - making them sometimes difficult to load and givng so-so accuracy.
Just beause an Optima looks like an Omega doesn't mean it's as good as one.
T/C's of all configs are effortless and accurate, and of high quality.
After some prior experiences, both personal and of close friends, with them, I won't own another CVA or Traditions.
A close comparison of one, with a T/C, or Lyman, or other quality make will quickly show that you truely do get what you pay for.
I've found CVA's to have uneven bores, as exemplified by tight & loose spots, when running a tight patch downbore - making them sometimes difficult to load and givng so-so accuracy.
Just beause an Optima looks like an Omega doesn't mean it's as good as one.
T/C's of all configs are effortless and accurate, and of high quality.
Last edited by Pete44ru on Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Having owned a CVA and a T/C(albeit for a short time), I would go with a T/C anyday as well. Also, why not consider adding some tradition and buy it in a Percussion Renegade? Fast, reliable and accurate. I'm kicking myself for getting rid of mine!
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
I'm with Griff, but I can say the Optima Pro is very popular here. I think the Wolf is the same gun with a 'cheaper' stock, finish, and sights. EVERYONE I have spoken with has experianced difficulties finding a bullet the Optima would shoot, something about the hardness of the plastic piece on the powerbelt. But, once the correct bullet and lube was located, they all shot fine. I do know they like 350 gr TC Maxi Hunters and 2 Pyrodex pellets, but for some reason no one (that I know) wants to hunt with this bullet.
The powerbelts are stupid expensive, and no you cannot buy the thumbhole stock aftermarket (as of Nov anyway).
Good luck friend.
psss.... Go traditional!
The powerbelts are stupid expensive, and no you cannot buy the thumbhole stock aftermarket (as of Nov anyway).
Good luck friend.
psss.... Go traditional!
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Comal Forge
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I built my own from a Track of the Wolf basic kit, using a .45, 1-66" Green Mountain barrel, 42" long. With a .440 patched ball over 70grs of FFFg, it will one-hole at 50 yds and stay under 2" at 100. It will also shoot pretty flat out to about 125 yds with not much sight holdover and has accounted for several deer. I am completely comfortable shooting it - the only disadvantage being the slow second shot. However, it usually does the job with one pill.
C. Cash has the right idea.
My Renegade shoots better than I can with Maxi-Balls or Maxi-Hunters. I am not the best open sight shot but can hold that Renegade to 4" at 100 yards with either Maxi.
Also have a TC Encore 209x50 that shoots like a center fire for accuracy, but it just don't seem right using it for Muzzleloader hunts.
If your looking for fun to go along with the extra hunt, the Renegade is tops. They are a blast (intended) to shoot.
My Renegade shoots better than I can with Maxi-Balls or Maxi-Hunters. I am not the best open sight shot but can hold that Renegade to 4" at 100 yards with either Maxi.
Also have a TC Encore 209x50 that shoots like a center fire for accuracy, but it just don't seem right using it for Muzzleloader hunts.
If your looking for fun to go along with the extra hunt, the Renegade is tops. They are a blast (intended) to shoot.
The CVA Kodiak models have Bergara barrels and we have 3 of them that put the 245gr or 295gr powerbelt and the 300gr Nosler with black nosler sabot into an inch at 100 yards (off bench with scope) using 3 regular 777 pellets.
The Wolf you referred to has a 26" barrel while most other models have 28" I don't think the 2" will make or break the gun. One customer used a Wolf with 2 Pyrodex pellets and the 405gr powerbelt for 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards consistently.
The Wolf you referred to has a 26" barrel while most other models have 28" I don't think the 2" will make or break the gun. One customer used a Wolf with 2 Pyrodex pellets and the 405gr powerbelt for 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards consistently.