A question for our UK and Aussie friends

[awp101]

What restrictions are there for y'all on black powder firearms?

I always hear about the semi-auto restrictions, etc but I'm not sure I've ever seen anything on BP restrictions.

Thanks!

[Nath]

First off, In brit you got to have an explosives licence to buy black But not for any of the subs
You can only use BP pistols for target use and have to be a member of a club
Same for any M/L rifle or smoothbore using a single projectile And no hunting with a M/L pistol or rifle even though there is no law which states a M/L rifle is prohibited from hunting use
M/L shotguns are ok to use across the spectrum as in clays, game and varmints.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid land of the brain deads


Nath

[awp101]

IOW the same old horse hockey you have to deal with for everything else.

Geez I hate to hear that...

[AJMD429]

Do you and your fellow gunnies make really extra effort to get the young people involved in the sport/fun aspect of shooting? If you can do that, maybe some of them will make the leap to the more boring/unfun aspect of preserving what little freedom you still have, or better yet - increasing it. I try to involve a new person (adult OR child) every single chance I get, and have tried to perfect the 'art' of customizing the experience for each person (i.e. some would NOT like hunting but are ok with paper targets, some handguns, some not, and ALL seem to do better with quiet and unintimidating 'pretty' guns at first.

[Nath]

I took this young feller under my wing last year and he is still a keen airgunner.


I talk freely to whom wants to listen.

Nath.

[GANJIRO]

First off, In brit you got to have an explosives licence to buy black But not for any of the subs
You can only use BP pistols for target use and have to be a member of a club
Same for any M/L rifle or smoothbore using a single projectile And no hunting with a M/L pistol or rifle even though there is no law which states a M/L rifle is prohibited from hunting use
M/L shotguns are ok to use across the spectrum as in clays, game and varmints.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid land of the brain deads


Nath

I watched "Shaun of the Dead" the other night, great movie but I thought it was fiction, I guess I was mistaken.

[gamekeeper]

I've had C/B revolvers and M/L pistols that I could only use at a club and smooth bored M/L rifles that were classed as shotguns and could be used for hunting like my M/L shotgun but only with shot (legally) All the above are classed the same as other firearms regarding licenses and safe storage etc. Antique M/L firearms do not require a licence unless you want to shoot them. We can also buy Firearms that the government class as using obsolete ammo.
Again if you reload for these old guns you have to have a firearm certificate.

AJMD429,
Yes we try to get youngsters started in the sport, the hardest part is getting their parents to let their kids try shooting. The easiest part is finding boys and girls that want have a go

[gamekeeper]

I once tried hunting squirrel with a flintlock pistol, not recommended if you want squirrel for dinner but sure was fun.

[Old Ironsights]

I've had C/B revolvers and M/L pistols that I could only use at a club and smooth bored M/L rifles that were classed as shotguns and could be used for hunting like my M/L shotgun but only with shot (legally) All the above are classed the same as other firearms regarding licenses and safe storage etc. Antique M/L firearms do not require a licence unless you want to shoot them. We can also buy Firearms that the government class as using obsolete ammo.
Again if you reload for these old guns you have to have a firearm certificate.

AJMD429,
Yes we try to get youngsters started in the sport, the hardest part is getting their parents to let their kids try shooting. The easiest part is finding boys and girls that want have a go

Lessee... .36 Round Ball is 000 Buck... so .490 Round ball would be what - 00000 Buck?

Just stuff 2 down the bore with a little kapok/wasps nest between them as a buffer. That is only about 300gr and makes it a "mutiple projectile"...

[Lastmohecken]

Just stuff 2 down the bore with a little kapok/wasps nest between them as a buffer. That is only about 300gr and makes it a "mutiple projectile"... [/quote]

I have used the multiple ball trick, but what I do is take 50cal balls drill them out and tie them together with fishing line. And I use a wad first, and some bore butter, and another wad on top. I have shot these in a 54cal ML. and a 10ga blackpowder shotgun.

[awp101]

I have used the multiple ball trick, but what I do is take 50cal balls drill them out and tie them together with fishing line. And I use a wad first, and some bore butter, and another wad on top. I have shot these in a 54cal ML. and a 10ga blackpowder shotgun.

Aha! A baby chainshot! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain-shot

OI, you might like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_shell

[Bruce Scott]

I haven't really looked into this but I think the rules are pretty much the same as for any firearm:
1. Demonstrated need for the gun (ie: recreational shooter/hunter, competitive shooter, vermin control)
2. Permits to shoot on private land or ownership of sizeable land.
3. Club support letters in the case of competitive shooter.

[Ysabel Kid]

Not to drive this into the "Political" board, but just remember guys, this is the shape of things to come here as well if we don't stand up, stand tall, and refuse to let them do this to us!!!

[KirbyAUS]

All states of Australia require all firearm owners to be licenced by their state Police Force.
A security check is conducted and permission is given to complete a safety training course run by approved providers (usually gun clubs or College of Further Education).
On completion of the course, the Firearms Licence is purchased for a period ( usually 5 years ). Handgun licences require renewal every year with a requirement to complete 6 matches per year at a shooting club. Handguns can only be used for approved target shooting - not hunting or personal protection etc.
A firearm licence has a drivers licence style photo and permitted classes and endorsments.

In the state of South Australia where I live, muzzle loading firearms are divided by classes.
"A class" covers air rifles, .22 rimfire, paintball and single and double barrel shotguns.
"B class" covers centrefire rifles and muzzle loading rifles and similar.
"H class" covers handguns.
Each class has restrictions of use and your licence is endorsed for club use, target shooting and hunting etc.

All firearms must be stored in accordance with regulation - usually in a locked safe attached to your house.
Ammunition, caps and powder must be stored separately and is subject to local explosives laws.

South Australia recently hosted the 23rd Muzzle Loaders Associations International Committee (MLAIC) World Muzzleloading Championships.

Kirby.

[Pop Watts]

Same in NSW as elsewhere in Australia.
A blackpowder Handgun has the same restrictions as any other handgun.
Muzzle loading rifles and shot guns must be registered and stored in a safe when not in use.

I really don't have a major problem with a lot of the laws - even though they do not at times make sence.

Unfortunately, on the weekend a teenager shot and killed his friend here in Sydney and it looks like he used a registered firearm that was not stored legally - BRACE yourselves boys, who knows where that will lead us.
Pop.

[dbateman]

Unfortunately, on the weekend a teenager shot and killed his friend here in Sydney and it looks like he used a registered firearm that was not stored legally - BRACE yourselves boys, who knows where that will lead us.
Pop.[/quote]
i heard about that last night sounded like an acadent and the mother of the boy that was killed was asking for the young boy not to be charged with
murder ???
very sad

[JerryB]

KirbyAUS welcome to the forum, thank's for all the levergunners world wide that are here with us.

[Bartman]

Hi everyone, new to this forum, a lever junkie from Western Australia, Coolgardie in fact, I have several levers and a 58cal 2 band enfield replica. Any firearms in WA are hard to obtain even additions to an existing licence can be difficult and the cops have made we wait up to three months for an approval to come back from the district office (last time was for a win mod 70 featherweight in .243) Blackpowder weapons are in the same class as centerfire and you have to have a genuine reason to shoot one, this can be supplied in the form of a letter of permission from a land owner or a club support letter, but their own legislation says that you do not need a letter? so I guess you could just say you want one for recreation and they have not got a leg to stand on. Pistols are pointless in this state/country firstly as someone else has stated you can not use them for self defence or for hunting only range use and now they have restricted the caliber to .38 as well (god only knows why) you can only have.44 or .45s if you shoot blackpowder competition CAS. If you live in Victoria or Queensland you can have antique or obsolete calibers without them being licenced but they are registered, but you can not use them for hunting or defence, whats the point! Guys the rules in Australia used to be similar to US (except for auto weapons) and look where we are now! our brothers in UK used to have rights once too, this could happen to you. Regards Bart

[gamekeeper]

Welcome to the fire Bartman. I sure hope our brothers in the US are better prepared than we were!

[O.S.O.K.]

Not to drive this into the "Political" board, but just remember guys, this is the shape of things to come here as well if we don't stand up, stand tall, and refuse to let them do this to us!!!

From my cold dead hands....

[Ysabel Kid]

Not to drive this into the "Political" board, but just remember guys, this is the shape of things to come here as well if we don't stand up, stand tall, and refuse to let them do this to us!!!

From my cold dead hands....

You and me both... I'm fine with clinging to my God and my guns for as long as I draw breadth. I am not going to live on my knees...