Thinking about trading in a Citori for an AR15...

[RSY]

Like many, I have a recent-onset case of the heebie-jeebies as Nov. 4 gets closer. Went to my local shop today and was checking out the EBRs. I have a Citori that I've had since high school that I might be able to part with (I'm more an 870 type of guy, anyway). Hmmmmm...I just don't know. I already have a 180-series Mini-14, but it only shots .223 and is basically uncustomizable.

Seeking sage wisdom from my fellow leverites.

Scott

[2ndovc]

Been feeling the same way.

I've got a Colt AR that I bought in '93 a Mini-14, M1A, AK etc. but my favorites are the AR and my Springfield SOCOM16 are my favorites.

Recently been eyeing the Sig 556 just for something different. Though I haven't heard anything much about them.

Just sold a boat so I've got a couple bucks to spend at the Ohio gun collectors show next weekend. If I don't come accross a good Winchester / Colt deal that's probably what I'm going to buy.

jb

[Hobie]

I think you should keep what you have and put the money into ammo and components. I'm trying to do that.

[Old Ironsights]

If you have to trade anything, trade the Mini-14 for the AR. You don't need a .223 AND a 5.56.

The Citori will always be useful too... (what grade/gauge?)

[RSY]

If you have to trade anything, trade the Mini-14 for the AR. You don't need a .223 AND a 5.56.

The Citori will always be useful too... (what grade/gauge?)

The Citori is a 12-gauge Grade I Hunting with 26" barrels from 1983-4 (first year for Invector chokes). Nothing special. Purchased it in the 11th grade after I had convinced myself that my 20-ga. was inadequate and birds could no longer be killed with anything but a 12-ga.

My current thinking is that I could likely get another Citori in the future, if desired. So, why not have two guns whose sale could possible be banned in the next 6 months.

Anyway, that's my logic, erroneous as it may be. Thanks for the input.

Scott

[Old Time Hunter]

I am in a similar quandry, pretty much got everything in my leverguns (a '76 in 45-75 would be nice.., also a usable '92 (original) chambered in .44-40 since mine is now a wall hanger, maybe a M88 in .308, or a '99 Savage pre-'59 in same or???), but I am real shy on semi's. I have one...a M1 carbine. Really thinking of a AK or AR, leaning towards the AK because of the 7.62 X 39, never liked the .223 (probably because I saw it's weakness in real fire fight situations), would rather have either in a .308 caliber. AK is so cheap and I can use my C&R to acquire from Century, Samco, Classic, and the like....what do I want...hmmm. Can get 3-4 AK's for the price of one AR, even if parts together.

[Rimfire McNutjob]

There's no telling what will happen. I mean, what if the Dems pass a new law requiring the registration of all EBRs and AWs in general? Are you to the plus or the minus on the deal in that case?

At least in '94, there was a window of time after passage and prior to implementation that you could sort of figure out which way to go. Although even then it wasn't perfectly clear. For example, lots of people couldn't afford EBRs so they bought EBR receivers. Then the ATF declared that the weapon had to be assembled prior to 9/94 or it was a violation ... the lovely post-law interpretation.

I hate all of this uncertainty.

And I mean no offense to many fine Democrats who support gun ownership ... and there are plenty. Many a southern Democrat has voted in support of gun ownership over the years. The Dems I refer to are obviously Schumer, Fienstein, Boxer, etc.

And ... what will become of all the C&R's out there. Boy aren't those "dangerous" accidents waiting to happen?

[RSY]

...never liked the .223 (probably because I saw it's weakness in real fire fight situations)

If your experience was in Viet Nam, you might want to give it a second look, as the SS109 loading adopted in the 1970s improved things a good bit.

Scott

[Old Time Hunter]

...never liked the .223 (probably because I saw it's weakness in real fire fight situations)

If your experience was in Viet Nam, you might want to give it a second look, as the SS109 loading adopted in the 1970s improved things a good bit.

Scott

It was, but based on real life reports (nephew) over in Afganistan, still takes half a clip to get thru a slanted windshield. My nephew went to a .308, first time he had a similar situation, one shot...thru the windshield, thru the head, thru the throat of the insurgent in the back seat and busted the block on the pick up following. The rest of his platoon wants me to have my local shop send some more (I believe they are Socom's?).

[RSY]

I hear ya on the 7.62x51mm. However, if the feces ever hits the fan domestically, you have to consider what ammo will be most readily available. Far-fetched, I know; but still something to keep in mind. I imagine 5.56 NATO would be much more readily at hand than either 7.62 NATO or 7.62 Russkie.

Scott

[mescalero1]

True, that is why I asked that question of the resident marine, and he confirmed it.
Infantry fire teams are using Squad Automatic Weapons, they fire 5.56.
The old M-60 is used on vehicles these days.
There will not be a lot of .308 lying around

[RSY]

The old M-60 is used on vehicles these days.
There will not be a lot of .308 lying around

You must mean the M240G.

The M60 Pig is a thing of the past.

[Old Ironsights]

...The M60 Pig is a thing of the past.

***...

I loved my "pig". It counterballanced my ruck quite nicely... and I could single-fire it offhand like a rifle when I needed to...

And now it's gone...

WAAAHHHHHHH!!!

[RSY]

and I could single-fire it offhand like a rifle when I needed to...

I hear ya. The E3s we had in the Corps with their pistol-grip fore-ends really lent themselves well to that.

They weren't as good as their Momma (the MG-42), but the pigs definitely had a good run.

Scott

[505stevec]

I promised my beautiful wife that I would not buy any more "toys" for a year. Other priorities. I still have to decide if that means ammo or not

[Tycer]

I think you should keep what you have and put the money into ammo and components. I'm trying to do that.

Amen!

[alnitak]

I already have a 180-series Mini-14, but it only shots .223 and is basically uncustomizable.

Seeking sage wisdom from my fellow leverites.

Scott

Scott, this is the second time in the last day I've seen your reference to the Mini-14, 180- series as not being able to fire the 5.56. I am not the expert of many on this forum, but having owned a 183-series Mini, I did research this. My findings, including the various Ruger manuals and quotes from Ruger, are that all of the Mini-14's fire both the .223 and the 5.56. The manual for the 180-series specifically states that NATO 5.56 ammo is fine. So, you might want to check it out. I would hate to see you give up your Mini-14 for the wrong reasons. And although one can't customize the Mini to the extent of an AR, there are some options available to trick it out. Besides, the Mini' never fails, is prettier than an EBR, and is less imposing to authorities, much like a lever gun.

Good luck with your decision.
Bruce

Scott, just saw your reply on the other thread. You may be right about some newer 5.56 ammo having different leade, hgher pressures, etc. I didn't realize with my limited knowledge that 5.56 varied that much. But I certainly was convinced, and had faith in my 183-xxxx, that the Minis were designed by Ruger to accomodate both cartridges from the start.

I'm sure the experts will chime in here and clarify my misunderstanding.

[mescalero1]

Does that mean that my two MAS 49/56 are going to be excempt?
One in .308 ( that works ) one original ( that works )

[RSY]

I would hate to see you give up your Mini-14 for the wrong reasons.

Well, I was going to keep the Mini, but trade in the Citori on an AR.

Did you ever receive that Axis hide for your daughter? How'd it come out?

Scott

[AndyM]

Like many, I have a recent-onset case of the heebie-jeebies as Nov. 4 gets closer. Went to my local shop today and was checking out the EBRs. I have a Citori that I've had since high school that I might be able to part with (I'm more an 870 type of guy, anyway). Hmmmmm...I just don't know. I already have a 180-series Mini-14, but it only shots .223 and is basically uncustomizable.

Seeking sage wisdom from my fellow leverites.

Scott

I am in this boat also - I have been paying attention and reading up on Mini-14's and AR's. I think I might get an AR lower - or maybe a mini-14 - who knows... I am going to stock up on some high cap. Glock mags for the Mod.23

[alnitak]

I would hate to see you give up your Mini-14 for the wrong reasons.

Well, I was going to keep the Mini, but trade in the Citori on an AR.

Did you ever receive that Axis hide for your daughter? How'd it come out?

Scott

Ahhh...my mistake. Sounds like a good plan.

No, I haven't received any of the hides or mounts from the hunt. In fact, I haven't heard from those guys after tracking them down for a few weeks trying to get the meat delivered. But that's OK...the credit card could use a little relief!

Thanks again for your thoughfulness. As I mentioned, my daughter loves to sleep with the skins wrapped around her (over the sheets). The Axis will make a fine addition to her collection!

Take care.
Bruce

[Idahoser]

I don't know what you think might happen that this would be unnecessary. Remember "the Maverick" loves to reach across the aisle.

[sore shoulder]

RSY,

I would trade the Citori as you can always get another. I wouldn't be concerned about a ban or registration. In fact, the more there are, the harder it will be to do, and make no mistake, there are millions of them out there already and more every day. If you wait till Obama is elected, they will be worth gold, and hard to find, buy one now.

As to the 240, it is more of a pig than the M60, and I hope I never have to lug one of those things around again. I only spent one day in the MT mountains with one last July, and it was enough for me.

[O.S.O.K.]

Scot - I think from your previous posts I remember that your Mini-14 doesn't accept high capacity mags? If that's the case, then I would definately sell it and your Citori if you want to let it go and get that AR. And as much ammo and mags as you can scrape up too.

Or if you've seen my other posts - you might want to consider the following:



That's a quality Polish Tantal build from http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/beta/st ... ct631.aspx $619

And then buy as much Bulgarian ammo as you can - $120 per 1080 count can from http://www.southernohiogun.com

That's about 1/2 the price of steel cased Russian .223.

I fully expect that if the eastern block or russian ammo sources for 5.45x39 ever dry up or are blocked, that the domestic manufacturers will pick this up in a heartbeat - just too many rifles chambered for it floating around here.

[Idahoser]

Of course, because American companies would never enter into an "agreement" with a socialist government to deprive Americans of something the Constitution guarantees.

[sore shoulder]

Combloc toys are fun, but they are not practical from a parts and supply standpoint. While the AR and 5.56 are not the best, they are the best option.

[RSY]

Scot - I think from your previous posts I remember that your Mini-14 doesn't accept high capacity mags?

No, it accepts anything you stick into it. The difference is that they changed the design of the receiver in the late '70s (mine is 1976, first civilian year). As a result, none of the available after-market accessories can be mounted to it, like scope mounts, stocks, etc. Thus, I'm pretty much stuck with the factory aperture rear and the woody stock (which is pretty, of course).

Scott

[Old Ironsights]

[donw]

getting th AR now might be wise...if barry gets elected they may become 'difficult' to get...

i may try to get one soon, too...not because it's such a great firearm, just because of the availability if barry gets elected.

old school? 'nam...jeeeeee...when i went we used m1919's, BAR's, M1garands and went into the M14..not much comparison to the diminutive 5.56...i'll take any of them over the M16 thank you...

[Idahoser]

Hey, good timing. We were speaking of building an AR in one of these threads, and here's a video on how to do that very thing that came in an email from Brownells today.

http://tr.subscribermail.com/cc.cfm?sen ... 9ce2d9ad9c

[RKrodle]

RSY

That's a tough decision. But, I think I would get rid of the shotgun, as long as you have another, and get the EBR. I've been mulling over what I can get rid of so I can get an EBR but just can't make up my mind. I just bought a Yukon off of a guy on the forum here and I'm broke .

[RSY]

RSY

That's a tough decision. But, I think I would get rid of the shotgun, as long as you have another, and get the EBR. I've been mulling over what I can get rid of so I can get an EBR but just can't make up my mind. I just bought a Yukon off of a guy on the forum here and I'm broke .

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[Slick]

I didn’t have time to read all of the posts – so I will just say KEEP the Citori and pick a couple of stripped AR-15 lowers. Then “nickel and dime” them together as you can. That's what I did and kind of hate to admit how much money I spent building two rifles that for all they are – are nothing more than “poodle-shooters”.

I'm still glad to have them though..

[Modoc ED]

I think you should keep what you have and put the money into ammo and components. I'm trying to do that.

That's darn good advice. I reload for all my handguns and rifles but I do not reload for my shotguns so I am going to lay in a couple thousand field shells (#8, #5, #2 (High Base) and several hundred slugs (Sabot and Foster types). Figure it'll cost me nigh on $800 or so but I'd rather spend that money on shotgun ammo than on another rifle, handgun, or shotgun.

[RSY]

The plunge has basically been taken. Even trade pending at my dealer for Stag Arms Model 2. Should be arriving Wednesday, or so.

I'll miss that Citori, though.

Scott

[O.S.O.K.]

The plunge has basically been taken. Even trade pending at my dealer for Stag Arms Model 2. Should be arriving Wednesday, or so.

I'll miss that Citori, though.

Scott

Good decision IMHO. And since your Mini 14 takes high caps, I'd pop for some more of those if you don't already have that covered.

Congrats! Show some pics of her when she arrives

Stag makes a quality product no doubt.

[alnitak]

Hey, good timing. We were speaking of building an AR in one of these threads, and here's a video on how to do that very thing that came in an email from Brownells today.

http://tr.subscribermail.com/cc.cfm?sen ... 9ce2d9ad9c

Any idea how to download those videos...?

[Idahoser]

If they don't offer a download, and they don't turn up in a 'torrent' search, then there are programs you can get that claim to record streams like that. Dowload.com is the first place I check when I'm looking for utilities, such as that. I haven't done any of this, but it's where I would proceed.

ar15.com has a bunch of stuff too, of course, this intro video isn't a thorough 'how-to'. All you need really is free online, and mostly at ar15.com. These videos just show that it's easy to do, then go to a different site for specific step-by-steps.