I didn't care for it before

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Bill in Oregon
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I didn't care for it before

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And I really don't care for it now.

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Re: I didn't care for it before

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Not much soul there! BUT an awesome tool!
I am with you don't care for ot either! However, all my use of forearms are not just a tool so I like a little soul with mine :D The closest I have for a tool, that I think has soul also, is my Redhawk 7.5'.
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Re: I didn't care for it before

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Way too 'Tacticool' for me.

Walnut and blued steel for me.
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Re: I didn't care for it before

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Bill in Oregon wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:36 am And I really don't care for it now.

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Re: I didn't care for it before

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The rifle is not my cup of tea, but that's not a well-done review either, in my opinion.

What's a "shell tube"? :roll:

And then he mounts all that heavy stuff to his forearm/"handguard", because "it's the modern thing to do", and wonders why he sheared the forearm tenon? It's simple physics, man.

Good grief.
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Re: I didn't care for it before

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Yes , it's kinda ugly but for a truck/atv/UTV gun I'd say sure. Show up at a fancy camp for a $10,000 elk hunt nope.

As for that tenon breaking it looks hard, TOO hard. Unless it's a casting the grain of the steel says it's harder than it should be.

Way too much stuff fastened out front for sure. Really don't need four more rounds of 45-70 out there . A light maybe...
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Re: I didn't care for it before

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I guess I just like to be disagreeable… :twisted: … although I don't really care for THAT particular iteration, but a gun (even a levergun) can be many things, including 'tactical', or 'just a tool'.

I've got a couple that are heirlooms, a couple I value for the role that the model played in history, and many that are just pretty and fun to shoot. But none of them would do for when I go out at night, in the rain, and need to take care of varmints that are attacking the livestock. For that, an AR-15 with thermal sights and a suppressor and a bunch of other 'gear' would do nicely, but even then the ballistics of most 'AR' rounds just aren't ideal for that type thing. Much better to use a low-ballistic-coefficient 'pistol' bullet that won't go too far, as I'm in a very rural area, in a valley, but still like assurance that a missed shot won't go too far. Plus if I keep things subsonic with 45 Colt or 44 Special or 38 Special, I can avoid donning hearing protectors or having my ears ring for a day because I had to deal with a family of five raccoons in an enclosed barn.

For my purposes a bolt action is too slow, a 'tactical' AR would have to be chambered in 9mm or something otherwise useless out of that sized gun, a 22 LR isn't quite powerful enough for 75 yard shots to be a sure thing on a moving critter, and a shotgun causes too much collateral damage. A levergun in a 'pistol caliber' is just perfect. But NOT without sights that work at night, which either means a big bulky thermal scope, or more practically a dimmable red-dot and a bright flashlight - ON the gun, since I may have hands busy opening a gate or whatever. I also find a laser < gasp > a PRACTICAL addition - it adds the ability to shoot faster when I may not be able to get the gun to the shoulder, and helps confirm aim when I can. As for the 'synthetic' stock - I like the idea of keeping stuff away from the barrel and magazine tube, after having rifles damaged that I though were more waterproofed, or didn't realize had gotten moisture or condensation under the pretty walnut forend.

Over time I've evolved the 'tactical' (I think that is a silly and overused word in the firearms world) 'Night Scout' levergun that works best for me, and it is a little Marlin 1894 in 357 Mag, and has a green-dot/laser Streamlight (normally used on a pistol) and a 'shake-awake' Holosun red-dot, plus a very lightweight aluminum forend and stock from RangerPrecision. I've had that gun out in rain and snow and all times of day and night, and with 38 Specials it is so quiet I don't even use the suppressor on it most of the time (though it would be sweet with an integrally-suppressed barrel...!) since even the handy little carbine becomes a bit ungainly with an 8" suppressor added.

This is a picture of it before I swapped out the little laser for a :D Streamlight combination light/laser, and got a more compact red dot.
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Would I enter my Marlin Night Scout in a beauty contest for leverguns....? No, but would I take my beautiful Winchester 92 Big Bore, or my heirloom Marlin 1989, or my fancy-wood BHA-89 out in drizzle for 30 minutes checking on livestock...?

Nope… I wouldn’t even take one of my Rossi ‘truck guns’ out in weather like that because then I’d have to take it apart and clean it and typically I am doing livestock chores at midnight. I need to get to sleep and wake up before 5 AM, so no time to dink around getting a gun dried out.

Basically, my other leverguns are for hunting, target shooting, or just lookin’ at, but I want THAT levergun to be kind of like a Glock, not pretty and maybe no ‘soul’, but something I don’t have to baby and something that works day and night and in any weather, without toting a flashlight, to deal with barnyard predators, AND that could double against two-legged predators if that need arose. I’ve not found any other type of gun that even comes close.

This past winter I went outside because coyotes had gotten into the goat pen. They had gone by the time I got outside, but I was able to get the animals to a more secure location for the night. I went to throw them some hay and coming down the loft ladder with hay over one shoulder and the gun slung over the other, there was ice on the ground so I slipped and the gun went flying into a pile of snow. I threw the hay in the feeder, picked up the gun and went back to the house. The only special consideration was I put the gun muzzle down in a plastic bowl that was sitting by the door, so it didn’t get water on the floor. The next day I got home after dark but thought I should probably check the gun for zero since I had dropped it pretty hard. I went back to the range and the pitch black darkness and was able to hit the 6 inch gong on the first shot at 75 yards. That all would have been pretty difficult with any of my other leverguns.
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Re: I didn't care for it before

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Doc you need one of these!
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Like most here, I grew up with wood and blued steeled firearms. After awhile, we accepted stainless. Plastic was for AR style firearms....and for good reason. Lightweight and built to take abuse.

With all that said, if I'm elk hunting and see a pack of wolves, or a grizzly, I'd be wishing I had a 45-70 outfitted like that! Yeah...a regular 45-70 would work....but remember.....you would have had to pack it for miles. I'm good for a few miles in and out. But it gets a little tougher every year.
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I think maybe Glock should just take a turn making a levergun… :twisted: :lol:
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They think they can sell these and I suppose they will. Not my cup of tea but I believe in letting other people scratch their fleas as they see fit.

It doesn’t give me any heartburn.
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Those guns make me wish I'd never seen them. Uglier than sin, and can't get that image out of my mind now. I need to go open my safe and hug some blued steel and walnut now.
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I often spot old timers in box stores and think i bet they have safe full of old marlin win and savages at home, then they buy something like that from a 20 year old kid who helps them fill out the 4473 solving another boring weekend of retirement. Not saying its wrong but makes me go hmm?
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Bill in Oregon wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:36 am And I really don't care for it now.

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Gotta agree, but if it floats someone's boat, more power to 'em.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:15 am They think they can sell these and I suppose they will. Not my cup of tea but I believe in letting other people scratch their fleas as they see fit.

It doesn’t give me any heartburn.
I do think that the habit some of the gun companies have of putting a CAR rear stock on everything imaginable is silly - if a gun doesn't have a buffer tube, why would anyone want to put one on there just to hang a not-very-ergonomic buttstock on it...?

The Mossberg one was really bizarre looking -

Like Scott T said though - "everyone can scratch their own fleas..." - I've got plenty.... :D
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