Self defense delusions.

[AJMD429]

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I'm thinking many people who HAVE been assaulted or otherwise involved in real-world scenarios of violence would disagree with most of this guy's naive assumptions...

https://youtu.be/scE0KGC0IWo

I've barely nibbled the edges of 'violent encounters' in my life, but even my experiences pretty much run contrary to everything this guy says.

He's got good intentions I'm sure, but he shouldn't assume that the criminals follow the logical thought processes he does.

[4t5]

I’d lean more towards the 22 mag, if I was to use a rimfire. However I wouldn’t want to get shot with either.

[gamekeeper]

Most normal people are afraid of being shot so just about anything capable of throwing lead may work however these days there are people walking the streets who are far from normal.

[Grizz]

my guess is that criminals look at your weapon, regardless of hole size, and think, "Oh Boy! Free gun".
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just a wild guess,

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grizz

[Scott Tschirhart]

I think he’s naive but I’m not sure he has ever seen evil up close and personal.

Put me in his small Pelosi category.

[Ray]

There is a refrigerator sized, oft recidivistic, son of ham hereabouts who is legendary for carrying some ounces of lead/copper in his flesh from several different violent encounters without resorting to the emergency room. Thus far he has survived .380, 9x19, & .38 special......multiple shots ! Twice he was left for dead in pools of his own blood on convenience store tiles and whilst the gendarmes were distracted securing the crime scenes he staggered to his feet and fled leaving blood trails in the forms of droplets, footprints and handprints. Both times he went through holes in the fence of a fed. housing project where he presumably sought shelter and or pseudo medical care.

The local gendarmes, following the current, prevalent trend from .40 back to 9mm have petitioned the town burghers for replacing their glock 23s with the same brand 17/19s. The burghers could care less about one chambering or the other but they do balk at the cost involved in the switch. One burgher cited the legend of the bullet soaked thug/gangster as a reason NOT to go back to 9mm. In the end, they switched due to the deal(s) offered by a police supply distributor who took back the old .40s in trade.

B.T.W., the almost free .45 g.a.p. offer is apparently still an option. The town declined that when per round costs were compared and it was disclosed that only speer tmj rounds were currently available. I wonder how many here would carry an issued .45 g.a.p. if it were required or at least expected of them.....Just checked my son's n.y.s. trade-in surplus model 37 g.a.p. and its magazine capacity is 10 versus the 17 of the model 17 9mm.

[Griff]

Well... I'll agree a .22 is better than a pointy stick... until it isn't. But I think I'll keep my .45.

I think he’s naive but I’m not sure he has ever seen evil up close and personal.

I have to agree. But then, the vast majority of us have not seen evil up close and personal. I'll even go so far as to say that the majority of criminals I've arrested and taken to jail, were not truly "evil"... more like "opportunistic".

[AJMD429]

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It's "simple"... ... you just have to:

1. Avoid confrontation, if possible
2. If that fails, de-escalate, if possible
3. If that fails, re-consider retreat, if possible
4. If that fails, use fear/bluff to deter the attacker, if possible
5. If that fails, reconsider retreat, if possible
6. If that fails, destroy some central nervous system, if possible
7. If that fails, reconsider retreat, if possible
8. If that fails, destroy critical bones, joints, circulation, if possible
9. If that fails, pray for divine intervention.

You just need to complete steps 1-9 in about half a second; no big deal, right...???

I'm thinking that the guy assumes he won't ever get to step 6, or that if he does, he can easily place nine rounds of 22 LR in an eye socket during whatever is going on. Heck, even on a good day at the range I can't always do that, and that's without being injured, distracted, or in the midst of a fight with one or more irrational psychopaths.

I've personally done step 1 hundreds of times, and gotten to step 3 many times, and on a few occasions to step 4, including gun in hand (pointed at sternum of attacker one time), but never had to get to step six.

I'm gonna try steps 1-5 for sure, but if I get to number six, I'm gonna probably wish I had a 12 gauge semiauto with buckshot and a worn sear, let alone a center-fire handgun of some sort.

Most 22 LR ammo isn't even 100% reliable in terms of ignition, much less terminal ballistics...

[Scott Tschirhart]

I have to agree. But then, the vast majority of us have not seen evil up close and personal. I'll even go so far as to say that the majority of criminals I've arrested and taken to jail, were not truly "evil"... more like "opportunistic".
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Yes, but you know it when you see it. Thank God that it’s rare. But there’s no denying that it exists.

[AJMD429]

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When it seems to get tricky is when the human being is irrational, either because they are so intoxicated, or psychotic, or whatever. At that point you can't count on them to make rational decisions so presenting them with choices like "quit doing that or I will shoot you" don't result in the same response that they would with the normal people we interact with on a regular basis.

Combine that with several generations of a legal system that no longer promptly or reliably results in any negative consequences for wrongdoing, and it's no wonder that the criminal element becomes harder to control.

If someone pointed out BB gun at my foot and told me to do or not do something, I would probably comply because I don't want to get shot in the foot with a BB gun, but you get these psychopaths who had drugs to the equation and they think they are invincible, or have decided that they're on a suicide mission, so there isn't any changing if their behavior at that point. They simply have to be stopped, and probably stopped immediately, if they are in the middle of dangerous aggression. If I had no other choice I would attempt to do that with a 22 revolver, but I would prefer to use steps 1 to 5 first, and if I wound up having to go to number six, I don't think I'd choose a 22 revolver if I had other options.

It's really sad that our society has gone down this current path, because it really wasn't at all necessary. 50 years ago we had all of the ingredients to become the most successful and peaceful society to ever exist, but the socialists got control of the education system, fooled the old people into thinking social security and Medicare were good ideas, and managed to figure out how to sneak money out of people's pockets without them knowing it so that you can hand it back to them and I think you were giving them something. Since then it's been pretty much downhill.

[Griff]

I think that downward trend began immediately after WWII.

[Ray Newman]

"t's really sad that our society has gone down this current path, because it really wasn't at all necessary. 50 years ago we had all of the ingredients to become the most successful and peaceful society to ever exist, but the socialists got control of the education system, fooled the old people into thinking social security and Medicare were good ideas, and managed to figure out how to sneak money out of people's pockets without them knowing it so that you can hand it back to them and I think you were giving them something. Since then it's been pretty much downhill."
--AJMD429

Timeline maybe off a few years, but it is hard to argue with what you stated.