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Arm Brace Trap

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I didn't put this in politics because it may apply to several members and potentially make you a felon. Gun Owners of America made this video at ShotShow. What it boils down to is if you have a pistol with an arm brace, it is going to be classified as a short barreled rifle,(SBR). You have 120 days to apply for a free tax stamp to make it an SBR. Sound good?You send in your name, address, gun pics and your ID. BUT....any application not processed in 88 days is automatically denied. Now you have an illegal firearm and need to turn it in. No way on earth they can process tens of millions of these. These are the same people that take over a year to clear a suppressor. The GOA guy asked ATF what would happen if after an application is denied, the owner did not turn it in. She answered enforcement action would take place. Unfrigginbelievable! Click on the link to hear GOA explain it.
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Also, if you own a 922 class "pistol" under this ruling it must be turned in or destroyed
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I think the best advice right now is to hold for a bit and see if the challenges result in a stay or reversal. Hoping some sane judge slaps an injection on this.

The ATF is baiting people into registering these with the promise to waive the $200 tax stamp. Either they won't approve them in 88 days, or if they do, they now have "the list". We know what they will do with that list later.

So, if no challenge works, then removing the brace altogether is a possibility, but I'm not convinced this will still comply with the new code. If the lower was a multi, one could reconfigure it into a rifle and call it a day. I don't think you can do this with a firearm bought as a pistol, but I'm not sure. Therein lies a major part of the problem; no one can really understand this 293-page monstrosity, nor the calculation in the form 4999. That alone warrants an injunction against implementation of the new code.

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i have pistols WITHOUT braces . . . . how's that addressed?
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wvfarrier wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:37 pm Also, if you own a 922 class "pistol" under this ruling it must be turned in or destroyed
what is a 922 class pistol?
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Since it’s obvious that the organization is creating a ‘solution’ for something that is not a problem, (crime due to SBR’s owned by law-abiding individuals - the only ones who would register them, by definition) they will continue to create progressively more strict ‘solutions’ until they solve what they consider the problem which is that citizens own firearms, of ANY type.

All you have to do is look at other nations and even certain states within the United States, and it’s pretty clear that is their agenda.
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Ysabel Kid wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:26 pm ..... Either they won't approve them in 88 days, or if they do, they now have "the list". We know what they will do with that list later. ...

Our promised 60 days for electronic Form 4s for suppressors is more like 310 days :roll: And instead of getting better, that time frame seems to be getting longer and longer
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As well if you live in "non NFA" state you'd be violating state law to comply with Federal law... that isn't really law.
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Grizz wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:50 pm
wvfarrier wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:37 pm Also, if you own a 922 class "pistol" under this ruling it must be turned in or destroyed
what is a 922 class pistol?
Its firearms made in foreign countries. They are required to have a certain number of US made parts in them. The stock or brace counts as a part. They become illegal without them and are subject to confiscation and destruction
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Another trap: Currently to legally build an SBR you must submit your request for registration BEFEORE YOU ASSEMBLE THE GUN. Note that in applying for the permit to reclassify your pistol as an SBR you are required to SUBMIT A PHOTO OF THE PISTOL. In other words, they are requiring you to provide them with self-incriminating prima facie evidence that you own an illegal SBR.

Not me, thanks. There is a fifth amendment, ya know...
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Let’s be careful guys.

The regulation says that these are ALREADY classified as Short Barreled Rifles.

So if you own one right now, you are already in violation of the NFA.

Our government has too much money and power.

There’s no grandfathering in this regulation. This is a regulatory taking of private property without due process in violation of the 5th Amendment

The Constitution specifically states “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
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Scott Tschirhart wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:00 am Let’s be careful guys.

The regulation says that these are ALREADY classified as Short Barreled Rifles.

So if you own one right now, you are already in violation of the NFA.

Our government has too much money and power.

There’s no grandfathering in this regulation. This is a regulatory taking of private property without due process in violation of the 5th Amendment

The Constitution specifically states “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
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I don’t see how they were ever NFA compliant. If You cut the barrel of your rifle to 10 inches you have a SBR. Put a buttstock on a Contender with a pistol barrel-SBR. That’s why trappers, UZI, MP5, AR, AK, etc carbines for U.S. civilians have barrels of least 16 inches. I never saw how making a AR “pistol” and sticking a buttpad on it and calling it a forearm stabilizing brace isn’t the same thing. It’s a rifle in appearance and operation even if your brace isn’t an optimal LOP.

I get that they were interpreted as exempted from NFA and are very popular. However per NFA they have been illegal about 88 years, without registration that is. I always felt it was a matter of time. I think amending or revoking NFA is the only lasting legal shot at owning these rifles made into huge pistols and then into some weirdly stocked carbines. At least then you can get or make them as you wish without going through these naming semantics.

I’m not sure those short “AOWs” that fire shot shells won’t be called shotguns eventually either.
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OK. I'll trade my American pistols for micro dracos straight across. that should make everyone happy, right?

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Grizz is on the right track here.
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