New York Hunters Store Guns in Cabins?

daisygordoninc · Post by **daisygordoninc** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:35 pm

What are your thoughts on these New York hunters that left guns and ammo in unwatched,
cabins in the woods. That just makes no sense to me, does it to any of you? That is difficult
for me to believe.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:39 pm

That seems to be just stupid to me. Where did you hear about that?

daisygordoninc · Post by **daisygordoninc** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:42 pm

The police say that the two escapes from New York prison got their guns and ammo from a hunters
cabin that had stored guns and ammo, that seems crazy to me.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:07 pm

Could have been intentional....

...or just plain made-up news by anti-gun media.

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:15 pm

Crazy or not, many prople do it. I never had the luxury of a extra cabin but if I did I probably would keep a couple of beat up but reliable guns there myself. A few years ago here we had a so called "Mountain man" fugitive that lived for about 7 years on the lam off peoples cabins in winter and it was reported many cabins were hit and guns stolen. I know personally one guy who lost a rifle in his. The guy was caught. I will be darned if I would change my life for the possibility of a thief stealing something from me. I would be aware of the possibility and try to hide the article. There might come the day government comes knocking on your door for guns. Would be nice to have a few hid. Maybe the day will actually come we have full out war in our own country and you cant make it to your home but can your cabin. Many reasons to have guns and other stuff rat holed. To make a victim out the bad guy for arming a thief that breaks in and steals your gun is BS to me but its the first thing a liberal or gun rights hater will point out. Hell, I have had guns stolen not too many people that know or have seen me wasn't anxious to directly talk to me about it. I suspect they did behind my back though.
Here is a article about the "Mountain Man" that wasn't. Just a common thief burglar and didn't really shoot his food but people here were trying to make a folk hero out of him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/troy-knapp- ... ities-say/

http://www.outsideonline.com/1919681/sq ... ames-knapp

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:12 pm

I agree with Bill on that one!! I worry way more on not having a gun than I worry bout
some one stealing it, what about food in the cabin that could aid the criminal more so than a gun

ollogger

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:09 am

I'd leave a couple guns in a cabin if they were in a gun locker or hidden. I think along the lines of Bill and Logger on this.

cas · Post by **cas** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:49 am

While it's not something I would do, I am amazed how many people on the gun forums seem so upset by it considering how many people leave handguns in their automobiles full time that are constantly getting stolen.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:03 am

honestly, they risk being arrested in their home state for hauling around their firearms.
They picked the easiest option.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:05 am

Over here on my side of the pond, you are in deep Doo Doo if you lose a firearm for ANY reason, so I certainly wouldn't leave a gun anywhere if it wasn't securely protected from theft.
I also would not like to meet a squatter armed with my own gun in my own cabin, (if I was lucky enough to have one).

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:08 am

have to agree the smart option is putting in a gun safe and some sort of security system

BenT · Post by **BenT** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:22 am

Northern WI cabins will usually have a beat up 22 for pest control. Because they are used year round not just during hunting season. When you are going fishing and don't bring a firearm and Mr skunk shows up to ruin your weekend, it comes in handy. But I don't think anyone leaves their prize deer rifle in a cabin. But Wisconsin is different than New York in that we can travel freely with firearms with no hassle. Can't say that about New York. But I can see a New York man with his city wife not wanting guns in the house. Plus most guys I know have a hidden panel they put the firearms in when they are not there.

I keep a 22 in the garage unattended. I wouldn't of done that when I lived in St.Paul. But where I live now it is a non factor.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:47 am

Hmmm... a conundrum, for sure. Should one inconvenience themselves by keeping theirs guns with them at ALL times and run the risk of running afoul of draconian carry laws, or leave them in a remote cabin where there's a slight risk of a criminal committing further crimes to gain possession?

Arguments can certainly be made, both pro & con... but circumstances may weigh heavily on a good answer. The old naval adage seems to apply: "...loose lips sink ships!"

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:57 am

BenT wrote:But I can see a New York man with his city wife not wanting guns in the house.

THAT would be a short marriage....!

I would personally leave a firearm of 'utility' type such as a cheap bolt-action, secured somewhere not easily found, but would probably keep the bolt with me. Hopefully any gunsmith having to replace a bolt would run a theft-check before proceeding.

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:06 am

I do believe it would be wise to hide guns in a cabin if possible. Now think about it. You have a safe in a remote cabin and someone breaks into the cabin. He sees the safe. Think he isn't going to look for tools to break it open, or say to himself, no, that would be breaking the law.
Years ago I read where a burglar fell through the roof of a abandoned house and sued the owner. Another guy got sued and I think jail time when he rigged up a shotgun with a trip wire. His parents had died and their house had been repeatedly broke in to. Sounds like he had a farm and the closed up house was on it nearby.
Near me is a very expensive huge house that was almost finished when the owner, a casino owner, ran out of money due to the economy, closed a casino or two, divorce and health problems. The place "Looks" done on the outside but has never been lived in and is going to pot. I understand local teens got in and have partied in it!
A couple three years ago there was a case in northern Minnesota where a bachelor had a nice house on river front property and it got burglarized every time he left. Finally he "baited" the place. Drove his car off, hid it and walked back. Waited with a shotgun in the basement with a bunch of snacks. A young couple broke in, came down to the basement and he ended their career. He frankly called and told police what he had done thinking he was okay. Of course he is spending the rest of his life in prison. Sometime in this country wrong is right and right is wrong despite how a good man see`s it.
It is wise to accept the probable outcome of "the law" and not what we "think" it should be if we were a dictator. Only Liberals seem to get away pushing their idea`s and immorality.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:58 am

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Yep - a thief breaking into an unattended seasonal camp/home will have all the time in the world to search every nook/cranny, or figure a way to get into a safe (never mind that many "gun safes" are actually/only a safe wannabe - a lockable sheet metal cabinet).

IMHO, if some one wants to leave a firearm unattended for a lengthy time (whether in a safe or not), would be better advised to remove a critical part of the firearm (like a breech bolt) and take it home with them.

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Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:44 am

Honest well meaning people are going to do what they want to do. Thieves are going to do what they want to do. What I take umbrage at is when a honest man gets blamed for losing a gun or anything else to a thief. In theory if I leave a remote cabin door unlocked or my car door unlocked with a gun on the seat in the open while I get a haircut, I might be called dumb and naive, but that shouldn't make the thief one % less guilty. I can see where I should be condemned if young kid of 5 years old gets a hold of it and shoots himself or someone else.
One time there was a knock on my door by a young mother who demanded I should remove some pampas grass in my yard. Her brat had trespassed on my property and got a minor cut. I didn't argue with her and did remove it. Knowing the system a wise man will know what he can and cant do. Screw em, if I choose to keep guns in my locked cabin. That`s where I draw the line and stand. I just seen on TV where fugitive Matt was drunk when killed. He also found some alcohol in the cabin where they got the gun. They say the body reeks with alcohol and he must have been drunk as a skunk. Maybe had the cabin owner not left alcohol in the cabin a couple of leo may have got killed? Everything can be argued several ways. I shouda been a lawyer.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:23 pm

We leave an old .410 single shot in ours, well hidden of course.
It's been broken into twice since we left it there and has not been discovered.

I travel quite a bit and once and awhile I'm closer to the cabin than home. It's
nice to know it is there if I'm not packin'.

jb

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:14 pm

Booger Bill wrote:Honest well meaning people are going to do what they want to do. Thieves are going to do what they want to do. What I take umbrage at is when a honest man gets blamed for losing a gun or anything else to a thief. In theory if I leave a remote cabin door unlocked or my car door unlocked with a gun on the seat in the open while I get a haircut, I might be called dumb and naive, but that shouldn't make the thief one % less guilty. I can see where I should be condemned if young kid of 5 years old gets a hold of it and shoots himself or someone else.
One time there was a knock on my door by a young mother who demanded I should remove some pampas grass in my yard. Her brat had trespassed on my property and got a minor cut. I didn't argue with her and did remove it. Knowing the system a wise man will know what he can and cant do. Screw em, if I choose to keep guns in my locked cabin. That`s where I draw the line and stand. I just seen on TV where fugitive Matt was drunk when killed. He also found some alcohol in the cabin where they got the gun. They say the body reeks with alcohol and he must have been drunk as a skunk. Maybe had the cabin owner not left alcohol in the cabin a couple of leo may have got killed? Everything can be argued several ways. I shouda been a lawyer.

+1

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:28 pm

It seems a big percentage of cabins are owned and used by extended family and friends. Most every example of arrangements are possible, irresponsible kids, nephews etc. You got to decide whats best.
In that example of "The Mountain Man Fugitive" I posted earlier, he was surviving off cabins in the high country above us for about 6 years! They didn't get serious about finding him until he left a note threatening our sheriff and started shooting up especially cabins that had christian pictures. He also got feeling brave, pooping on the kitchen table etc. Else he may have lasted a lot longer.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:32 pm

cas wrote:While it's not something I would do, I am amazed how many people on the gun forums seem so upset by it considering how many people leave handguns in their automobiles full time that are constantly getting stolen.

This. Someone could just as easy break into my home while I'm away. "Safes" are not always so to a determined thief....

SteveR · Post by **SteveR** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:45 pm

Funny all the comments about convicted escaped killers, breaking into a cabin and stealing a 20 gauge shotgun. Then getting killed by the cops.
New York state does not have the crime rate that NYC does. Most of the cabins are used most of the year, so it's not like they are abandoned and anybody just come in and live there.

As far as the uninformed comments about gun laws and traveling to and from with firearms, there are no crazy restrictions.Only have to be unloaded, which is a safety law from our Fish and Game laws. If you do not have a pistol permit and a resident, then the guns(handguns) have to be locked up while in transit.

If you are resident, then you have to be aware of the Safe Act, which regulates the AR-15 and similar semi auto rifles.

But to the traveler going through NY, then unloaded and ammo separate from the guns.

I don't agree with much of NYS gun laws applied to me the resident, but for people traveling through, you have nothing to worry about.
NYC is a place to avoid, plus there is no excuse for going there with guns, because there is no place that you would be traveling through to, so you would be considered in violation of the firearm laws then.

Steve

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:43 pm

I admit it.
The 8 + year's I had my cabin I kept an old H&R 20 ga. Single on site year round on the gun rack.
Also an assortment of various ammo. for my other toys as well.
Cabin did have an alarm system.
Never had a problem.
Actually a number of the other surrounding cabin owners did the same.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:23 am

I've been having seriouse thoughts about eventually selling the home in Virginia and then buying a house with 20-40 acres in Dorchester County Maryland as well as a home in the Philippines . With the intention of staying here from about August until the end of January and in the PI the rest of the year . Anyway I was thinking about what to do with my arsenal while I was out of the country . True I could keep them in the saves I already have but if I'm gone for months at a time theoretically someone could back a truck up to the house thru the door and just take the entire safe . So I'm thinking I need to leave a safe at a friends house here in Virginia and when I return home each year go by and pick up the guns I plan to hunt with etc and then head to Maryland . Seems a bit much but I suppose one has to do what they have to do .

When and if it comes to that I'll prune the arsenal down quite a bit more .

Molasses · Post by **Molasses** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:27 am

Booger Bill wrote: <snip>
A couple three years ago there was a case in northern Minnesota where a bachelor had a nice house on river front property and it got burglarized every time he left. Finally he "baited" the place. Drove his car off, hid it and walked back. Waited with a shotgun in the basement with a bunch of snacks. A young couple broke in, came down to the basement and he ended their career. He frankly called and told police what he had done thinking he was okay. Of course he is spending the rest of his life in prison.
<snip>

That sounds like the Byron Smith case, up by Little Falls. Everything I've heard about this one indicates that the audio he recorded of that shooting and his own statements made to the police put him away. Especially the comment about the last shot, taken after the pause while he moved the girl to the tarp he'd already put the boy on after shooting him. Telling the police that "it was a good finishing shot" is a good way to get put away for murder.

Here's a link to one of the local news stories discussing this back at the time:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/clip/100 ... youre-dead

Incidentally, leaving the bodies on a tarp in the basement and waiting until the next day to notify the cops isn't going to do your side any good in this kind of situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Dav ... estigation

Please note that I'm not defending the two burglarizing teens. Just pointing out that this case wasn't all that much a matter of simple self-defense, but rather, appears to have been someone deciding to execute the crooks once he could get them where he wanted them.

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:25 pm

I know several people with cabins in the puckerbrush, every one of these cabins contains at least one firearm and most of them several. In the last 25 years that I know of, not one of these cabins has been broken into, most bad guys here in Wyoming know that rural places are almost always guarded by Sheriff Winchester. I, of course, have no weapons at all in my cabin in the mountains, having lost all of them in that unfortunate canoe accident.

I AM, however, getting SICK AND TIRED of the liberal position that maintains gun owners are somehow at fault if someone breaks in, steals a gun and then does some damage with it.

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:00 pm

I keep a beater Marlin .22 up at our cabin for pest and such. It's well hidden in a false wall (log cabin) and never had an issue. Bought it second hand years ago and shoots pretty good. Everything else hardware wise is brought back out.

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:00 pm

Double tap

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:42 pm

Several years ago a workmate/friend gifted me his Savage model 24 22lr x 20ga O/U combo gun when I helped him upgrade to a Marlin 336. This was an oldie with no factory serial number. In Hawai'i it is illegal to hunt with a combo gun so I gave the gun to my Bro-in-law when he was visiting from Northern California. At the time he owned 165 acres of land, and he bought a 20' Airstream trailer which he left there on the property as a hunting cabin. He decided to leave that Savage 24 in the Airstream though I am not sure how well hidden he kept it. This was a very hilly property difficult to get to without a decent 4x4 and quite off the beaten path, and also fenced and (locked) gated so little chance of vandals ever finding it or bothering to get onto it the trailer it being unseeable from the highway. It never did get stolen but I think he included the Savage in the sale price of the property along with the Airstream when he sold it back in 2004. I thought it a good "hide out" gun for his cabin, and would probably do the same if I could afford land and cabin.
My kid sis when she lived at home got her 22 rifle stolen by a meth addict who broke in to the house when everyone was away in the middle of the day. I can't blame her in the least for that happened all guilt being placed on the thief who was caught a few days later breaking into another home but her rifle never was recovered.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:11 am

AJMD429 wrote:Could have been intentional....

...or just plain made-up news by anti-gun media.

+1

I do know someone with a piece of property he bought for shooting. He has a cabin on it, and does keep some guns there - locked in a heavy safe. Ammunition is usually brought out with him, with some shotgun rounds locked in a metal cabinet.

Maybe New Yorkers are keeping their guns in cabins because of the idiotic laws of the state trying to take them?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:13 am

The issue here is not "why do people keep guns in unoccupied cabins", but "Why aren't those guns in a heavy safe in a concealed vault under the cabin along with the rest of an appropriate amount of Prepper back-stock?"

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:13 am

I dont give a rip what cabin or house owners keep in their abodes. I dont care if they dont lock their doors. It may be dumb but its their privilege. Once a uninvited person go`s in to steal something they are just a much a thief as any other burglar that steals something out of a house in a city.
I read that years ago in Alaska and other wilderness area`s that if a person was lost or in otherwise trouble that as sort of a unwritten law it was tolerated for them to take shelter and eat some supply's to save their live`s. Usually they would leave a note with money or send some later. I would tolerate that.
I ran into a number of incidents through my job and also in private life. Once I found a bum that was in our plant. It was a quiet Sunday. He evidently rode into the factory unconscious on a freight car. The guy was one of the dirtiest I had ever dealt with. He was coming out of a high lonesome drunk and had been also rolled the way it looked as he also was bloody. He asked me where he was. I said Palmdale California at Lockheed. He said the last he could remember he was in Texas! I sidestepped paperwork and drove him to town, dropped him off in front of some half way house, and gave him a few bucks.
Another time I got a call from a woman that some drugged up guy was in the woman's rest room in the plant. I said of the other guy being the dirtiest. I take that back. This one was far worse. He was drugged up and incoherent. He was so dirty our plant firemen didn't want to handle him. I called the county FD and rode with him in the ambulance to the city hospital. Later I found he had worked for my company and had been fired two or three week prior. He evidently got back in the plant and was haunting the attic`s of the factory and hangers living on sandwich's in the trash etc. A few weeks after that there was a PD drawing of him in the local newspaper as he had tried to molest some women. I called and got involved.
In 2003 my dad died in Wisconsin. I had to go back and brought back to california a bunch of guns of dad`s and some I had left home along with lots of tools etc. I was dead tired when I got home back to California. I carried the guns in the house but couldnt lock them in my safe as it already was plumb full. I think it was two mornings later I woke up and my truck was stolen out of the driveway. It still had many tools in it. The truck has never been found. Another day or two after that my house was burglarized. All those guns that I couldnt get in the safe were gone. I had left hid in the truck a somewhat customized s&w model 60. That tipped the thieves off that I was a gun guy. I am sure I was watched and when I left the next morning the house was hit. There is more to the story but in short I lost a lot! A woman involved got next to nothing and wouldn't rat who was in on it with her. She had stolen a J.C. Penney's CC I had in the truck, went on a $4,000 shopping spree and once signed her own real name on a receipt and it went through! I have a very bitter opinion of the judicial system in California. I went to her hearing and it was apparent that she was effectively getting just a few months for it, plus there were tons of things not brought up, I got up to say something and was given the bums rush. There`s more but I am already mad.

stretch · Post by **stretch** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:19 pm

What Booger Bill said. Own, store, or carry whatever ya want however ya want.

Way back in the 60s, there was a public service message to the effect that leaving
one's keys in the ignition of one's car was tantamount to assisting otherwise good boys down
the road of the hardened criminal. This is, of course, stuff - and there was considerable
public backlash at the time so stating. Thieves will always be thieves, and honorable folks
will always be honorable. (Mostly, anyway!

) One wonders how much this ad
campaign was influenced/underwritten by auto insurance companies.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 4017&hl=en

The other thing that Bill touched on is that if you are a victim of a burglary, you'll
be extraordinarily lucky to get your stuff back. The cops will come and fill out the
insurance paperwork, but they are far more interested in drug busts than finding
burglars. The get Byrne Grant monies for busting teeny-boppers with pot - they
don't get grant money for catching petty thieves.

-Stretch

2571 · Post by **2571** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:18 am

How can there be any difference in leaving a rifle in an unoccupied cabin or an unoccupied house while you go to the grocery store?

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:48 am

There is no difference. I suppose "off season" it`s a given the odds are greater that the owner isn't home or odds of driving up are less. I live my own life and ignore and dont care what upsets liberals.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:16 am

Booger Bill wrote:There is no difference. I suppose "off season" it`s a given the odds are greater that the owner isn't home or odds of driving up are less. I live my own life and ignore and dont care what upsets liberals.

It's not so much that it annoys liberals (which is actually a Plus), it's that keeping unsecured firearms lying around anywhere not attached to your person is just a bad idea.

I don't want my guns being stolen... or worse, used against ME when I come home/show up when Goblins are about.

There are 2 guns in my house that are not locked up (other than the one(s) I am carrying) - and they are both Muzzle Stuffers... functional for me, not important to Them.

The rest are in the safe behind 2 locked and inconspicuous doors.

mohavesam · Post by **mohavesam** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:13 am

daisygordoninc wrote:The police say that the two escapes from New York prison got their guns and ammo from a hunters
cabin that had stored guns and ammo, that seems crazy to me.

In actuality they were NYS Troopers and DoC officers who owned that cabin, and left "so many guns there we don't really know how many guns were there or which ones were taken".
Not hunters, Officers.

jkbrea · Post by **jkbrea** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:34 pm

mohavesam wrote:
daisygordoninc wrote:The police say that the two escapes from New York prison got their guns and ammo from a hunters
cabin that had stored guns and ammo, that seems crazy to me.
In actuality they were NYS Troopers and DoC officers who owned that cabin, and left "so many guns there we don't really know how many guns were there or which ones were taken".
Not hunters, Officers.

So they can't be hunters?

I'm sure none of the cabin owners are hunters then. Probably doctors, plumbers, salesmen, construction workers, etc... What constitutes a hunter?

2571 · Post by **2571** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:47 pm

Booger Bill wrote:There is no difference. I suppose "off season" it`s a given the odds are greater that the owner isn't home or odds of driving up are less. I live my own life and ignore and dont care what upsets liberals.

It's a given in my neighborhood that no one's home during the day because everybody works. In 30 years, I've been B&E'd 3 times at home and have never had my hunting cabin disturbed.

As for not looking for tools to enter a cabin gunsafe, who doesn't have miscellaneous, odd hand tools & an axe in their cabin?

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:41 pm

mohavesam wrote:
daisygordoninc wrote:The police say that the two escapes from New York prison got their guns and ammo from a hunters cabin that had stored guns and ammo, that seems crazy to me.
In actuality they were NYS Troopers and DoC officers who owned that cabin, and left "so many guns there we don't really know how many guns were there or which ones were taken". Not hunters, Officers.

That makes everything different, according to the news media - The Authorities need guns more than mere 'hunters', and are much safer with them, so can leave them in bathrooms at restaurants and so on without fear of it causing harm to innocents.

mohavesam · Post by **mohavesam** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:44 am

Troopers and DoC officers' guns. The shot gun that the escapee had in his possession belonged to a Trooper or DoC officer, and the media ain't sayin' much more about it.

"Course anyone could call the reporter(s) and ask...

I don't begrudge anyone keeping legal private property on thier own legal private property, not guns, frog spears, instant-kill traps, gasoline, chainsaws, cannon fuse, meat cleavers, or anything else one might keep in a cabin in those remote woods.

Recall also that the killing shot was a cerebellum rifle shot - not some lucky pistol shot in a forest firefight as some reported. After making the NYS troopers look like fools for weeks, I reckon someone took a slow aimed, deliberate shot and separated the escapee's spine from his head. No mercy expected, the shooter actually granted him a very fast & humane death; he never felt a thing.

I remain totally surprised thet the second escapee was taken alive - that the headline was not akin to "Escapee took his own life with a stolen handgun". A headline Cuomo could have used for years to keep working against US Citizens' civil rights...